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vazi nema problema,
samo mi kazi kako stojis sa engleskim pa cu ti postati nekoliko jako dobrih linkova

medjutim ne treba ti nicije misljenje
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vrlo lako ces i sam moci donjeti zakljucke

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u medjuvremenu evo ti mali teaser , prijevod fragmenta diskusije sa jednog drugog foruma


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Most ops I know seek out programs and 'herds' to join, as a matter of course. There's nothing unusual or 'individual' about them as they would rather have consensus and mediocrity over 'standing out' or being 'different' any dday. A 'good little op' is a consumate conformer, imo and really abhores doing anything different or unusual.

Mind you, they would have a much better chance of becoming individuated and more self reflecting if the non-ops on this planet were sto, instead of sts (as the Cs said).

My biggest challenge in dealing with ops is that they try my patience, they're so predicable and always looking to validate their precious programs. Reminds me of an add I saw on TV recently where a spaniel was trying to get a piece of pie off family members having dinner. He goes running round looking for a 'reward' with the voice over saying :"C'mon, c'mon... Am I a good boy? Am I a good boy, or what?" Made me laugh because (imo) that's what ops tend to do. Don't know much about leg shaking though. That seems more like a physical thing than a soul thing to me.


"most ops I know" "My biggest challenge in dealing with ops" "that's what ops tend to do"... Um, HOW do you know what you're dealing with??? How do you know YOU are not an op?? I'm sorry, but when I see people tossing of remarks like that, as if they have just graduated from "Detecting OPs 101", I wonder where they get off sounding so SURE they know what they are dealling with. Sounds a lot like self-importance to me.

Now leg shaking as an OP characteristic? Oh come ON. I shake my leg when I'm impatient (it's going a mile a minute now) or listening to music, or if it's falling asleep, etc. And if you spot somebody on a bus shaking their leg, and have never seen that person before in your life, to even "speculate" they are an OP because of it? And what if they do stop it when you look at them. If somebody is staring at me I will probably stop everything I'm doing to wonder why also.

Repeat, the best we can do is SPECULATE. And what good does that even do? How do we know WE'VE even come far enough along the path to be speculating about somebody else???

Sorry if I sound cranky, I'm still in the process of ingesting my morning coffee

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Inace radi se o topicu na kojem je netko ustvrdio da moze prepoznati OP-e po tome sto cesto treskaju nogom.
Da, vjerovao ili ne, ljudima svakave stvari padaju na pamet kada su ubjedjeni da su apsolvirali OP-e. Inace kada razmislis malo o ovom sjajnom odgovoru koji je Shar dao ruth mozda ce ti biti jasnije sta sam htio reci.

osim toga shvatit ces i da sam bio sasvim njezan prema tebi, da si na onom forumu izjavio tako nesto sasjekli bi te na komadice (naravno ne bukvalno)

Ali cilj ove interakcije nije da dokazujemo jedan drugome tko je pametniji nego da ako mozemo naucimo sto vise i sto je najvaznije da izmejnimo nacin svvog razmisljanja, tj. da razmisljamo cekicem i nakovnjem.

Evo ti prevod:

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vecina OP-a koje znam traze programe i u pravilu se krecu u krdima . Nema niceg neobicnog i individualnog u vezi s njima , uvjek preferiraju concensus i mediokritete i nikad im ne bi palo na pamet da budu drukciji i strse na bilo koji nacin. Dobri mali OP je potrosac konformista i uvjerena sam da mrzi raditi sve sto je drukcije ili je neobicno. Mislim da bi imali puno bolju sansu da p[ostanu individualniji i introspektivniji da bica s individualnom dusom na ovom planetu nisu STS nego STO
Prilikom interakcije sa OP-a moj najveci izazov je odoliti njihovoj predvidljivosti i validaciji njihovih dragih programa. Podsjeca me na reklamu koju sam nedavno vidjela na tV-u a u kojoj pas pokusava dobiti komad kolaca dok familija vecera. Pas oblece oko stola trazeci nagradu i ponavljajuci (nasinhroniziranim glasom) 'Come on, zar nisam dobar decko? Zar nisam bas dobar? ' nasmijala sam se jer mislim da se OP ponasaju upravo tako . Nisam medjutim sigurna u vezi treskkanja nogom, to mi se cini vise fizicka stvar nego stvar


"vecina OP-a koje znam" "Moj najveci izazov prilikom interakcije sa OP-ima " "ono sto OP-i imaju tendenciju najvise cinit"... Hmm, nesto se pitam, a KAKO ti uopce znas sa cim imas posla??? Kako znas da ti nisi OP?? Izvini ali kad vidim da seljudi dobacuju sa takvim izjavama kao da su upravo Diplomirali sa kursa "Kako uociti OP-a na 101 nacin" pitam se kako mogu biti toliko sigurni da znaju sa cim imaju posla. Meni to ne zvuci kao nista drugo nego SAMOVAZNOST.

Treskanje nogom kao OP karakteristika. Ma dajte ljudi! Ja tresem nogom kada sam nestrpljiv, kad slusam muziku, prije nego cu zaspati. Ako u busu primjetis nekog da trese nogom as da sa osobom nisi prije nikad u zivotu progovorio, kako mozes itit pomisliti da je osoba OP. Pa sta ako stanu bas onda kada ih pogledas. Ukoliko netko u mene bulji, najvjerovatnije cu i ja stati sa svim sto radim da vidim o cemu se tu radi.
Ponavljam, najbolje sto mozemo postici u vezi OP-a je samo SPEKULACIJa. A imamo li ikakve koristi od spekulacije. Ima li od toga ikakve dobrobiti. I kako uopcce mozemo znati da smo dospjeli do te tocke na putu samospoznaje da smo uopce u stanju spekulirati o bilo kome drugome
isprika ako ti zvucim nadrkano, ali jos uvjek nisam ispio prvu jutarnju kavu


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tersko da cese naci knjige o tome van kruga koji si spomenuo, pojedini psiholozi medjutim imaju interesantne tekstove,

ovaj tip je dobio prilicno nezgodan tretman od strane svojih kolega zato sto se usudio recu popu pop a bobu bob:


BEYOND INSANITY

Amos M. Gunsberg

We used to call them psychopaths --- these creatures that appear on our planet physically in human form, but are not human beings.

We noted they are amoral. That should have given us a clue.

We noted they do not FEEL feelings. That should have instructed us.

We noted they are heartless. That should have set off the alarm.

These creatures lack elements which distinguish the human being. They exhibit no connection with, no understanding of what we call "morality," "honesty," "decency," "fair play," etc. They lack the faculty we call empathy. They lack the faculty we call introspection.

Mankind has spent centuries trying to make sense of these creatures as some form of human being. All in vain. Not only in vain, but at enormous on-going cost to our civilization. These creatures are not human beings gone wrong. They are a different species . . . dedicated to the murder of human values . . . as a prelude to the murder of human beings . . . e.g., the tactics used by Nazis, past and present.

They laugh at us. They say: "No one understands us. People can't put themselves in the minds of men who act without a conscience. They try to understand, but they can't."

These creatures do not THINK human. They do not SPEAK human. They do not know what it is to BE human.

We classify them as "humanoid."

Yes, they have human form. If we manage to resist their onslaught long enough, we will eventually develop technical scanning equipment which will measure how different they are from human beings, despite their similarity of form.

In the meantime, the quality of our lives . . . and often our very lives . . . depends on our recognizing these creatures for what they are, and taking steps to neutralize their attempts to destroy us.
EVIDENCE OF HUMANOID BEHAVIOR

They make pronouncements without substantiation. To them, these pronouncements represent what reality is . . . pronouncement by pronouncement. The present pronouncement may contradict what they said a moment ago. This means nothing to them. They make no attempt to deal with the contradiction.

They demonstrate a total lack of understanding what we mean by a "fact." In their writings and in their speech, they do not use that word.

We humans find this hard to believe. The use of facts is such a basic part of our lives. We base our conclusions and our actions on them. We go on from there to test things and establish more facts. When we debate, we present facts, and show how we derive our observations and our positions from them.

Without facts, all we have is what we call "fantasy."

Since these creatures have a human appearance, we assume they must think like us . . . be aware of what we are aware. We think they MUST know what facts are. When they don't address the facts, we say they are playing a game. We think they do know what the facts are, but don't want to admit it.

Not so! They DON'T know what a fact is. When we speak of facts and ask them to address the facts, they look at us with vacant eyes. They don't know what we're talking about.

They study us because their strategy is to pass as human. They hear us use the words -- facts, evidence, substantiation. They lack the human capacity to understand what we mean. What they do is ignore our reference to facts, ignore our requests for them to supply facts, and hope we won't notice it's due to their lack of comprehension.

Let's look at examples of what THEY use for what WE mean by "facts."

The Association for the Advancement of Gestalt Therapy (AAGT) held an open conference at which three "master" therapists worked with three volunteers. Dr. Jeffrey A. Schaler published a critique entitled "BAD THERAPY" in which he cited examples not only of bad therapy, but also of systematic abuse of a volunteer by the "master" therapist. (The Interpsych Newsletter, Vol 2, Issue 9, Nov 95.) On their official Internet mail list (aagt@netride.com), members of the Association launched an attack on Dr. Schaler, culminating in their adoption of the slogan: "Saving Gestalt Therapy from Jeff Schaler," used as the subject line in a discussion thread. Under this heading they "SAVED" Gestalt therapy by sending in e-mails labeling Jeff Schaler as "arrogant, snide, hair-splitting, nit-picking, disturbed, mean- spirited, ranting, self-serving," etc.

When asked how this labeling "SAVED" Gestalt therapy, they ignored the question. When asked in what way Gestalt therapy was endangered by Jeff Schaler, they ignored the question.

It became clear they thoroughly believed their pronouncements erased not only the evidence presented but also erased Jeff Schaler himself. They "pronounced" him to be no longer in existence. For them, whatever they "declare" is what's real. What WE call reality is not real to them. THEY "pronounce" what is to be considered real.

Here's another example. I asked a psychotherapy client to look at a chair which was situated about six feet away near a wall. I then asked her to describe the chair. She did, in rather complete detail, except for the legs. THE CHAIR SHE DESCRIBED HAD NO LEGS!

I pointed this out, and asked how the chair could be suspended in air, with no legs to support it. She said: "I put it there." I asked: "If you look away, will it fall to the floor?" She said: "No. If I look away, the chair is no longer there." I asked: "If you look away . . . and it turns out the chair is still there?" She ignored the question.

Here's another example. During a discussion on CD@maelstrom.stjohns.edu earlier this year, the statement was made: "If enough people believe something to be true, then what they believe is what reality IS."

A question was then asked: "There was a time when everyone, as far as we know, believed the sun revolved around the earth. Are you saying at that time the sun did, in fact, revolve around the earth . . . and it was only in obedience to a change in what people believed that the earth came to revolve around the sun?"

The question was ignored.

You might think their refusals to answer constitute an admission . . . an admission what they are saying is totally outlandish and indefensible. Experience has shown you would be wrong. Experience has shown they go right on making the same statements, even after evidence is produced to the contrary.

You see how different these creatures are? You see how far off their thinking and behavior are from human thinking and behavior?

Nothing of what WE call reality is real to THEM.

I repeat.

Nothing of what we call reality is REAL to them.

When a human being mentions a chair, the reference is to a chair that sits there on its own legs. It's there whether anyone sees it or not, whether anyone mentions it or not, whether anyone "declares" it to be there or not. It's there ON ITS OWN.

A basic element in the profile of humanoids is their lack of comprehension that anything exists on its own, separate from their say-so. They don't SEE it. The only objects humanoids see are the ones they "declare" . . . the ones they imagine.

We use the phrase "my perception" to mean an appraisal, a measurement of something separate from ourselves. We don't announce it as "fact." We are open to consider other views if given facts to consider.

Humanoids use the phrase "my perception" as a buzz word. They imagine what they choose, and tell us it is their "perception" . . . which, in their minds, ESTABLISHES reality. What we call "facts" do not exist for them. That's why they whine and claim they are being attacked whenever substantiation is requested.

Humanoids claim their statements are valid simply because they make them!!! They elaborate on this: "I honor integrity in this regard. As an egoist, I make statements which are valid to me. Validity to my 'self' comes first. I grant other people this same respect assuming they say things valid to themselves."

Among human beings, for something to be deemed valid it has to be substantiated with facts. Nothing is valid simply because someone says it.

When humanoids are asked how they determine what someone says is valid to that person, and not something made up or imagined, they ignore the question.

Note the strange use of the word "integrity." Humans define integrity as uprightness of character; probity; honesty. We refer to sticking to the facts, sticking to the truth, not selling out. Humanoids use "integrity" to mean insisting what they imagine is what's real. No measurement. No evaluation.

When the demand is made for their pronouncements to be evaluated, they claim the confronter is the one who has no integrity . . . meaning the confronter is not upholding THEIR position: what THEY imagine is what's real.

On what basis do they claim this? Humanoids treat the world as if it were their own private holodeck. They "declare" things into being. Everything is a hologram. They program the holograms. They interact with them in any way they choose. They have them under total control. When they decide to cancel a hologram, it vanishes.

A hologram is a hologram is a hologram. A hologram is not supposed to have the ability to think for itself. A hologram is not supposed to have the ability to measure, evaluate, appraise, etc. Most importantly, a hologram is not supposed to be able to break out of its holographic state and critique its master.

When this does happen, they first chastise it to bring it back into line. If that doesn't work, they "vanish" it. When that fails, they run for cover by abandoning the program and calling up another one.

Experience has shown no matter what we say, no matter what we point out, no matter how much evidence is given, it has no meaning for these creatures. They have one goal: to fool us into classifying them as human so they can concentrate on murdering our human values. Without human values, the next step is murdering human beings.

In the film "The Invasion of the Body Snatchers," aliens are shown to be taking over by occupying the bodies of human beings. The aliens take over not only the physical body but also the mind, memories, abilities, etc. In every way the people seem to be the same as always, except for one thing. They mention events, but with no feeling of them or about them. THEY DO NOT FEEL FEELINGS.

We see a child struggling to get away from what appears to be its mother. The next day they walk hand-in-hand. The child has been taken over.

The lovers in the film try to stay awake so they won't be taken over. She succumbs . . . and "she," now a creature, tries to fool him. When she doesn't fool him, she tries to betray him.

These creatures do not FEEL alive. They do not FEEL feelings. In order to pass as humans, they know they have to give the appearance of knowing they are alive. Their only recourse is to DECLARE they are alive.

The declaration does not produce the quality of FEELING alive. They still don't FEEL feelings. The only thing they have to go on, to refer to, is their own declaration. If "declaring" is shown to be insufficient . . . if they are called upon to discuss feelings, give evidence of feelings, distinguish between feelings, etc., they are lost. Their inner emptiness is apparent. Their un-human status is exposed.

Here's a final example. In the course of a discussion on psych-ci@maelstrom.stjohns.edu some time ago, a humanoid said: "You hurt my feelings." The humanoid was asked to identify the exact statements, and explain in what way these statements caused hurt to what particular feelings. Answer: (Whining) "I've said you hurt my feelings. I don't know what else to say. ... You are attacking."

Question: "In what way do you a consider a request for substantiation and clarification to be an attack?"

No answer.
AN OVERVIEW

Humanoids -

1. Make pronouncements without substantiation. These pronouncements are to be accepted as defining what reality is . . moment by moment.
2. Ignore requests to provide the basis for their pronouncements.
3. Sneer at the human valuing of facts, honesty, decency, fair play.
4. Applaud the use of lies, deceit, etc.
5. Whine they are being "attacked" whenever they are questioned. Give no explanation of what the "attack" is or of what is being attacked.
6. Do not FEEL feelings.
7. View the world as their private holodeck.
8. Apply themselves to keeping humans in their place --- namely, insignificance.

FURTHER CONSIDERATIONS

Humanoids do not understand the distinction we humans make between good and evil. When they harm us, they do not understand why we call them evil. They do not understand why we have laws against murder. Their approach is to boast, even moralize over their victims.

Since they do not understand the reason for such laws, they argue they cannot be held accountable for their actions.

Not so. While they take the position the law does not apply to them, they do know the law was enacted to apply to everyone. Furthermore, if they try to claim they didn't know there was such a law, we respond with a firmly established principle: "Ignorance of the law is no excuse."

When they use those arguments, they make it clear they will continue to operate in accordance with their structure. We may look for remorse (a human capacity). We find none. They do not think of themselves as promulgating evil. They are simply doing what it is in their structure to do. The rattlesnake does not think of itself as evil when it injects poison. It is simply doing what it is in its structure to do.

Experience has shown humanoids continue to behave in the ways of their species . . murdering human values as a prelude to murdering human beings. Nazis demonstrate this graphically.

The issue as to whether to hold them "accountable," in our human sense of the word, has to be divided into two parts. We do not hold them accountable for BEING what they are. We do hold them accountable for the damage they DO.

When a dog gets rabies, we don't hold the dog accountable for becoming rabid. What we do, as a matter of self-protection, is put the dog down BEFORE it bites us, BEFORE it infects us.

We do not hold the rattlesnake accountable for HAVING poison fangs. What we do, as a matter of self-protection, is kill the rattlesnake BEFORE it kills us.

So with the humanoid. We need to be on our guard at the first sign of a murder of human values.



Amos M. Gunsberg is a psychotherapist and trainer of psychotherapists in New York City since 1950. He is a founder of the School for Quality Being. His address is 61 West 74th St., New York, N.Y. 10023-2433 USA. E-mail: clubking@ix.netcom.com

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misljenje= opinion

(opijen, opit)


kada se susretnemo sa nekim problemom, najgore sto mozemo uciniti je da problem prilagodjavamo nasem nacinu razmisljanja,
treba ciniti upravo suprotno :wink:

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U istočnoj gnostici problematika u vezi organskih portala je odavno poznata. Tu se oni pominju kao - antropoidi.

Knjige Gnosis, I, II i III, Boris Mouravieff, mogu se doaunlodirati sa linka koji je naveden ovdje:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/m ... ate=2/1/06

(Koliko se sjećam u knjizi III, Ezoterički Ciklus, ima nešto više na tu temu)


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Pozdrav, zanimljiva tema. Ovo da nema goreg nego kad se "organski portal" bavi duhovnoscu stoji. Svi znamo za bar 1 od takvih primjera...
Zato mi malo i plese Gunsbergova klasifikacija u kojoj navodi da im fali morala. Cini mi se nekako da su bas "op" osobe koje ce ne samo rigorozno provoditi neki odredjeni moral, nego ce na isti i druge prisiljavat.
Po mom skromnom misljenju, mislim da bi jedna od glavnih karakteristika takvih ljudi bila da se nikad ne stavljaju u pitanje, ne samo u smislu introspekcije, nego, ono, doslovno su uvijek u pravu. Nikad nemaju onaj osjecaj tipa "cekaj, mozda sam pogrijesio/la, mozda sam bio/la u krivu..."
Uvijek su oni zrtve neke nepravde, neshvaceni, itd.
Oci, nije da govore nista, ali ih se po njima ne moze prepoznat. Sto bi onda bilo s osobama koje imaju neku ocnu manu, razrokost, npr? Automatski osudjeni? Ne, ostavite se takvih karakteristika, jer bi se to moglo pretvorit u "lov na vjestice".
UneXpected, Angelina Joli je samo jolie, nemoj ju palit :mrgreen:

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Nikako se ne bih slozila sa pojednostavljenim misljenjem da O.P. nemaju dusu.
To ne dolazi u koliziju sa cinjenicom da je (retke) jedinke nemaju,portali imaju neku verziju "jednostavnije" duse a jedinke koje je nemaju uopste su retke i predstavljaju anomaliju,
poput bilo koje druge genetske anomalije, kako na nivou ljuske vrste, tako i zivotinjskom svetu.
Te dve stvari bi trebalo razlikovati!




Predlazem malo pazljivije citanje ( i malo sire ) literature, te podrobniju analizu, proces poznat i kao ucenje.


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Smisao shvacenog u komunikaciji vise zavisi od slusaoca nego od onoga koji prica.


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polemisati u prazno i nagadjati ko je koliko procitao i naucio, bojim se, ne bi bilo zanimljivo.


Na ovom forumu se trudimo da ne polemisemo i ne nagadjamo u prazno.


Predlazem:

http://galaksija.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=815

http://galaksija.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=309

http://galaksija.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=740

Shvatiti shodno mogucnostima.


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Proces poznat kao ego-trip.


proces koji iz neobjasnjivih razloga tjera ljude da upadnu bez padobrana na topic o kojem nemaju blage veze i ostave kilometarski post koji nije nista drugo nego besmislena buka

Ovdje se trudimo svesti nivo buke na najmanju mogucu mjeru.

Ako ti nije jasno sto podrazumjevamo pod bukom pogledaj topic o forumskim pravilima :wink:

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Ima tu nesto ljudi, kazem vam. Aragorn, izvanredno zapazanje. Malo pogledajte glumce na tv. na stranu sad kut kamere, svjetlost na licu itd. u istom kadru od nekoliko glumaca barem jedan ima " taj " pogled ili bolje receno " te " oci. Ovo je nista drugo nego samo opazanje de se ne pomisli da tvrdim nesto.



Naravno da ima, ali samo tvoje predrasude! ..ili neki podsvjesni (karmički možda?) strah od "tog" pogleda. Trenutno gledam kroz "te" tzv.mačkaste oči i vidim da si me već na neki način etiketirao tj. to bi sigurno napravio da smo se sreli "face to face", zar ne? A nisam ni O od OP-a :shock: :cry:
Stoga, nemoj sve trpat u isti koš! :wink:


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A nisam ni O od OP-a


Jedan od prvih stvari kojih se ljudi zapitaju kada saznaju o organskim portalima je: "da li sam ja to?" ,sumnja je uvek prva i preispitivanje je uvek prisutno.Naravno ima ljudi koji se uopste ne pitaju, i ne sumnjaju niusta, vec odmah zauzimaju stavove koji im odgovaraju i koje ce da brane.

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Jedan od prvih stvari kojih se ljudi zapitaju kada saznaju o organskim portalima je: "da li sam ja to?" ,sumnja je uvek prva i preispitivanje je uvek prisutno.Naravno ima ljudi koji se uopste ne pitaju, i ne sumnjaju niusta, vec odmah zauzimaju stavove koji im odgovaraju i koje ce da brane.




naravno, sto ljudi-sto cudi! samo, ne moš ni(kad) znat koliko se ko, šta i kad pita, kaj ne? :wink:


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Ono sto je interesantno i zastrasujuce jeste statistika.

Osnovna premisa je da je odnos OP i ljudi sa sposobnoscu za vezu sa visim centrima otprilike 50 %.

Iz ovog proizlazi da ako se nadjete u nekoj grupi ljudi sanse su
da ce u njoj definitivno biti barem jedan organski portal a vjerovatno i vise a to je ono sto cesto zaboravljamo u interakcijama sa vecinom ljudi.

I dok je nemoguce utvrditi da li je netko organski portal ili ne moguce je obracati paznju na energetski balans
gdje vam energija ide i tko je navise crpi a kada to ustanovite to je vec pola posla onda se lako adekvatno zastiti.


Sto se tice pitanja da li sam ja organski portal ili ne? - ono je totalno izlisno, jer i ako nisi a nisi svjestan odnosno probudjen tvoje funkcije nece biti nimalo naprednije od onih u OP.

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Jack987 i ti si organski portal :P


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Vitez od Nevera je napisao/la:
misljenje= opinion

(opijen, opit)


kada se susretnemo sa nekim problemom, najgore sto mozemo uciniti je da problem prilagodjavamo nasem nacinu razmisljanja,
treba ciniti upravo suprotno :wink:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
A što je ovo gore nego prilagođavanje naglupljoj mogućoj pučkoj etimologiji (a koja se bazira na tvom MIŠLJENJU da je točna) koja veze s vezom i jezikom nema? Koji diletantizam...

Opinion = opijen, opit

Bože, past ću sa svoje stolice koja ima noge... :lol:

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Obrazloži zašto i kako...

Baš me zanima, ljudi dosta toga tvrde da znaju, a blebeću bezveze misleći da nešto stvarno znaju... dakle, čekam objašnjenje. Da svi vidimo jesu li tvoje tvrdnje istinite ili baljezgaš bezveze samo da ti prođe vrijeme... hehe...

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nist ja ne tvrdim samo te zezam malo :P vidim kako si mi ljepo se raspisao po forumu i cjeli si mi svijestan pa te petujem malo ;) No offense i hope :)

Salu nastranu, sto je ovo gore na kraju dobro jer znaci da si mi drag.. premda ovo sad nema veze sa metafizikom.. ili ima?

Jadan na samu pomisao si se skoro rasplakao lolz


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Malo bi prokomentirao teoriju organskih portala.
Osobno smatram da postoji određeni broj ljudi/kreacija kojima upravlja sistem i koji su njihovi agenti,a pri tome oni mogu to biti a i da sami nisu svijesni toga. Tu sada ima mnogo vrsta i kombinacija koje ne bi kometnirao.

Što se tiče njihovog broja ,i teze da ih moguće ima čak 50%, mislim da je to malo pretjerano,iako trebam priznati da pomisao da polovnica stanovništva ima mogućnost oslobođenja a polovica ne uistinu interesantna.

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Moje licno misljenje je da ih ima vise od 50% i da su bar po meni lako prepoznatljivi.Jer mislim da mogu da prepoznam coveka za manje od 5 minuta.U zivotu sam sreo 2-3 coveka koja su 'bezgresna' ili sto bi rekli dobar ko hleb ali oni kao da su svakodnevno napadani od neke vrste 'zlobnih sila koje ih zele unistiti ili napraviti ludim,zaostalim,pred ocima normalnog coveka.Ako zeli da se spase od tih'napada'on mora menjat taktiku i pokusavat da glumi normalnog coveka mislim da iz toga proisticu tih50% 'ludaka' jer se sve vrti u krug pa tako i ovo.Ako u ovom drustvu pokazes svoja osecanja ''mracne sile'' ce te progutat i vecno stavit pod kontrolu.Ti dobri ljudi "bezgresni'' su vrlo inteligentni ali drusvo negativna okolina ih smanjuje i zbog svoje dobrote prozdire onda obicno padaju u depresiju misleci da nisu normalni i da bi trebali da se ponasaju kao i drugi neshvatajuci da su jedini preostali normalni u ovom drustvu imitiraju druge i zalutavsi pocinju da 'lude' gubeci svoje prave osobine ali u javnosti a ne i u dusi.Neki ljudi ako ne prodju ovaj metod pravilno obicno lude postaju pijanice klosari ili cak vodje sila koji su ih napravile.

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