Valjda? je napisao/la:
Elementarna logika. Šta je zapravo "dimenzija"? Mi smo ovde dimenzijama natakli imena - širina, dubina, visina - dok su u stvari to samo pravci koje 3D prostor omogućava. 4D, striktno sa te tačke gledišta - ima dodatni pravac i još ponešto.
'Dimenzija' je karakteristika prostora, koliko sam prostor ima pravca. Sam svemir je prostor..očito. Dakle govorimo o prostornim karakteristikama onog što zovemo svemirom. Ostalo što si napisao je točno..nemam šta za dodati.
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Naša vizuelna percepcija ovde je zapravo dvodimenzionalna, mozak dodaje treću. Isto kao što bi 2D biće druga bića na 2D planu videlo jednodimenzionalno, drugim rečima, samo linije različitih dužina. tek 3D biće, iz svoje perspektive može videti obe dimenzije, jer posmatra sa aspekta treće. Isto tako bi i nas verovatno šlog strefio od čuda ako bi smo videli ovaj svet iz 4d perspektive. Kao kada bi linija pred očima 2D bića odjednom "postala" krug ... pa sa čime ono to može porediti? Tako da tek 4D biće može videti 3D svet onakvim kakav on zaista jeste.
Da, znam. Ali upravo tako - mozak dodaje treću, dakle percipiramo 3D. Sve je jedan univerzalni prostor sa svojim beskonačnim karakteristikama, mi tek percipiramo treču. Ovo je 3D - Ono što 3D percepcija u toj univerzalnoj stvarnosti je. Netko sa više dimenzije, recimo četvrte, percipira treču karektiristiku univerzalne stvarnosti, dakle percipira sve karakteristike prostora 'ispod' njegove i jednu dadatnu koja bića iz niže dimenzije ne mogu. No uglavnom, ovo je isto kao i to što si ti napisao samo na drugačiji način.
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A u tvojoj nije?!

Pitam se zašto pišem na taj način.. počnem pisati i samo sve izlazi iz mene, ah šta češ. Da, i iz moje perspektive je tako.
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Beskonačno* veći nego 3d svemir ...
Beskonačno? a što je sa 5D svemirom? on je duplo beskonačno veči?

Ma nije beskonačno, ali PUNO veči sigurno je.
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na različitoj "faznoj intersekciji"/frekvenciji, misliš?
Da, što se RA materijala i denziteta/dimenzija tamo tiče - ako si čitao, govori se o tome da je naša oktava sastavljena od 7 denziteta, naša oktava je opet deo druge oktave itd itd, a da o tome šta se nalazi iza toga ni oni ne znaju ništa, zatim priča kreće dalje, u okviru druge, "veće" oktave - tako da ih verovatno ima beskonačno. Ali eto, da znaš da nije toliko isključiv po tom pitanju. Ako to povežeš sa "skalarnim rastom" kreacije, videćeš da je reč o suštinski istom posmatranom sa različitih aspekata. Tako da da li ih ima 7, 77 , ili 927897 - zaista nije ni bitno. Nama je najbitniji ovaj ovde. Tek zatim sledeći ...
Da, može se to i tako reći.
Hah, pa onda neka vele tako kako je.. što im dođe ta 7 oktava kvragu? znam za denzitete, 4. denzitet bi kaotiga trebalo biti stanje svijesti koje ima neko 4D biće. Kužim tu teoriju, ali ako vele da je oktava sve do 7. denziteta, što je stanje svijesti bića u 7. dimenziji, ili ono što je pod tim materijalima sam Kreator, a ima ih ustvari ne 7 - nego beskonačno. Mislim, rekao sam i prije, svi ti materijali drugačije govore, sve je kontradiktorno samo po sebi..a istina ne može biti takva. Još k tome se te teorije temelje na nekim meni osobno potpuno dokazanim lažima koje imaju svoj izvor iz odvojene svjesnosti.. pa ono. Ali ok.
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Ako mislite da treba ono preneti prenesite slobodno, nisam uveo monopol na bilo šta

Nije baš da pravim Church of Jonathan ovde, haha

Evo:
OrionStars:
4-D? What is 4-D in a three 3-D world of earth? Density is not a 4th dimension. Otherwise, people would be walking around with nothing inside of their height, width and depth - 3 dimensions with filling inside (density).
adampants2007 reply to post by OrionStars:
lol.....look, I understand your statement. But EVERYTHING you said can be found in a PHYSICS text. You are making a 3rd dimensional assessement. You are seeing density from YOUR point of view. What is density anyway? Basically, that comes down to electronegativity within an atom....it's bonds.....it's size. But you are viewing "atoms" from a 3rd dimensional point of view. Your question does not apply. Look, I understand the frustration....I do. But, if you are going to assess this, then you MUST understand the properties of an electron "cloud"....no "electrons" at all. Scientists TELL you there are "electrons". Nope. A certain amount of energy is allocated out in any situation and it assumes the most effecient usage of space...a sphere...or they say a particle. However, when it rejoins the energy that surrounds a nucleus...it delocalizes. There are only electrons if the atom decides there should be....interference patterns. The appearance of an electron is NO different than the manifestation of a "thought" in your mind. The thought is not your mind...it is a result. Well, electrons are NOT the energy...they are the result. The consciousness around the nucleus of an atom is NOT bound to the 3rd dimension....scientists observe it from a 3D point of view. Okay...then explain a double or triple covalent bond. You can't...not from a 3D point of view. This is why scientists say, "the electron cloud is really just a probability plot". Nope. Just like they say an atom is 99% empty space. Nope. It is NOT. There are complimentry energies that are PHASE cancelling each other out....this is why electrons "pair". Nope. No electrons...no pair. Just various energies..in frequency...with the ability to alter their "PHAZE". They can increase amplitude, change frequency, and alter phase. Then with the standing waves produced...is the manifestation. This is the VERY nature of your OWN MIND.
What IS density? WHY did THAT come up in your mind? Answer that first for me, okay? What do you MEAN by "density"?
ItsHumanNature:
Thats amazing. The 4d postings have to be the longest posts that make absolutley no sense I have ever seen. This guy must have spent a couple of days writing all that. It appears that he truly believes this stuff. Or, he is trying to make everyone look like fools or distract them by thinking about nonsense.
adampants2007
Aww poor little guy. Actually, that was dumbed down and off the top of my head. Enjoy your fantasy, okay? Give me a huge Baaaaaaa...you know, like the sheep? Come on, you know you want to. Just one?
The truth is....your mentality is quite readily apparent. The fact that you use SOMEONE ELSE'S quote to express YOURSELF. No wonder EVERYTHING I said went RIGHT OVER your head. Your binary, copycat mind was immediately triggered....the ego deflation kicked in....and you felt a need to "insult" that which you can not comprehend. Yup...welcome to Earth. Home of the insane.
Tell me, any thoughts of YOUR OWN? Any quotes of YOURS? The truth is, you can NOT debate this. You will though. Your very response allows anyone who can think to profile you with ease. In fact, you will continue to argue unless I drop this first. So, that is what I will do. Your "ego" will feel the need to say something back.....easy to predict. But, after awhile...and a few complaints to your "online" friends...you will get over this. Then, you will move onto criticizing someone ELSE that is over your head. This is a symptom of wanting to "BE" right over learning what "IS" right. So, go ahead...give the "response". Let out that passive/aggressive "charge" that is built up....(anonymous critic) and then you can move on. Okay? Thanks. You get the last word. I give it to you, because you wouldn't stop until you had it. Of course, you will now argue that what I just said is "wrong" and I am "insane". Then you will go "read" someone else's ideas somewhere, store them, and use them as your own in some forum. Right? K, have fun insulting that which you can't comprehend or conceptualize.
ItsHumanNature reply to post by adampants2007:
Hi adam, why the insults? I for one don't see any new technology or extra dimensions being necessary to project a crappy, wispy image. If your convinced that it was done using extra dimensions, fine, but is detracts from real discussions about real methods and does indeed make everyone considering that there might have been a projection of aircraft on Black Tuesday look like crackpots.If your theories are strong, you wont need to insult people to make your point. If your convinced about this 4th dimension theory about the Great Manhattan Swindle, may I suggest that you make a thread about it and not muddy the waters in the reality based discussion on this thread.
adampants2007:
Sorry...just one more thing. I HAVE to do this, so that people can observe simplistic "manipulation". Unless they remove your first reply, this will be quite obvious. Now people, do you see? Read his FIRST reply. Ignorant, unaware....thinks HIS reality IS reality. And the most important thing....HE INSULTS...right? Read it. He INSULTS. Then, when I respond....look carefully at HIS response. He says....WHY the insults? Do you see? This is a VERY common discrediting technique. However, weird he would do it when you can read he insulted ME first. Strange, but anyway. You can SEE his own insanity. You can see that he does NOT see that HE insulted first. OR, the more probable, what he was doing was BAITING me. Strange he would intentionally USE that technique with a record of dialogue. Normally, people like this guy will do that in a VERBAL debate....say "why the insults" and then try to REDIRECT the conversation before it can be addressed that is was HE that insulted. This would be equivalent to slapping me and if I slapped him back...running to mommy and saying I slapped him......WITHOUT mentioning that HE instigated it.
This VERY method is used on the media ALL THE TIME. If his mind is this corrupt....if he NEEDS to use such techniques...then the truth is, he is NO different than ANY disinformation agent. As they use the SAME type of manipulative techniques to redirect the focus of the "tv" viewers.
I know I said I would give you the last word. I will now though. Why? Because, your intention......your character....has just been revealed. No viable argument....just the intent to insult. It is there for all to see. Buh bye.
ItsHumanNature reply to post by adampants2007:
WOW.This is getting weird. I just scrolled up to check if perhaps I had inadvertantly insulted you adam. I didn't. I also did not post anything from anybody elses postings.Wait till the real paid attackers show up, they will REALLY insult you and you won't have to wonder about it. I merely suggested that your thoery is far enough away from the mainstream that you should present it in its own thread.
You seem sincere about your beliefs, and these unwarranted attacks against me only serve to make you look un-credible. Before accusing me of being a nay-sayer and a detraction artist may I suggest that you read a few of my thread postings? You will doscover that I put forward some theories of my own that many people do not want to consider, just as you do.
I see your "new" here, or just a new name, but whichever is the case I sincerely hope you have a thicker skin and not go bonkers when someone responds to your postings in the future. If you want your theories to be taken seriously,and apparently you do, being polite and replying to people in a cogent manner is the way to go, because not only will folks think your a crackpot if you attack those who question your theories, you will end up being booted off the forum. Relax a little, it will help.
P.S. The biggest thing I think you are missing is the apparent fact that we are on the same side regarding whether there was an illusion performed on Black Tuesday, it seems we both are certain this is the case, the primary difference is that I am not certain how "the lady was sawed in half" before our eyes, but I think that the fact that what we were shown is impossible is the real point that the curious should know. I think your veiws should be heard, but your methods here are faulty, you will catch more flies with honey than vinegar and venom.
reply to post by adampants2007:
OK now a little dose of reality.
There are 4 accepted dimensions
length
width
height
and
time
The above is what you'll find in physics books.
I'm sorry but what you're saying has no basis in reality, only in pseudo-science and meta-physics.
If you believe I am wrong, please show me scientifically reproducible data and I will be happy to admit you are correct.
Pa mora se sve to staviti.