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Zastupnica u Hrvatskom saboru, Dr Mirela Holy, nedavno je na inicijativu nekih građana postavila zastupničko pitanje u vezi kemtrejlsa i kako vidimo u odgovoru koji je stigao, tu se radi o običnim avionskim mlaznicama (‘contrails’). Dakle, ovo što ljudi vide iznad svojih glava tokom poslednjih desetak godina, u Hrvatskoj je napokon i zvanično “objašnjeno”.

Ovdje ispod je kopija tog dokumenta koji je prošao kroz faks mašinu i nije baš najbolje čitljiv, međutim, sadržaj se ipak može prilično dobro razabrati. (Na dokumentu su izbrisane samo neke personalne reference).


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PostPostano: sri jun 02, 2010 1:30 pm 
Hvala Galaksija! Ovo izgleda vrlo zanimljivo. Izgleda da onaj tko je slagao odgovor ne poriče postojanje chemtrailsa što je dobar znak, sada je pretpostavljam na nama da dokažemo da isti postoje i na ovim prostorima. Dapače, izgleda da ovdje imamo i "call for action" od strane vlade gdje kaže:

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U tom smislu svaka dojava o pojavi chemtrailsadokumentirana datumom, točnim vremenom i lokacijom uočenog traga, kako bi se prema planovima letenja ustanovilo koji i čiji je avion ostavljao tragove na nebu. Bez takvih konkretnih podataka i dokaza o pojavi chemtrailsa ne može se niti proučavati njihov utjecaj na zdravlje i život građana Republike Hrvatske.

Ovako svi navodi temeljeni su na laičkim uočavanjima koji možda i nisu bili chemtrailsi, već vrlo vjerovatnije spomenuti contrailsi.


Isto je spomenuta i CCAA, Agencija za civilno zrakoplovstvo gdje postoji kontakt: safety@ccaa.hr

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Sada postoji mogućnost da se pokuša individualno ili u ime grupe građana kontaktirati Mirelu i/ili spomenutu agenciju s konkretnim datumima, vremenima, lokacijama ali i slikama i video materijalom pa da vidimo kako će se crnohelikopterske stvari dalje razvijati

Slažem se,samo videomaterijali s vremenima neće biti dovoljni,već bi trebalo uzeti neke uzorke prije i poslije "zaprašivanja",itd. ...Ovo bi trebao biti veliki i težak projekat dokazivanja jer ima puno pojedinosti koje bi se trebale uzeti u obzir.Inače ako se na to ide laički i amaterski,sve će biti opovrgnuto prvim dopisom.
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PostPostano: sri jun 02, 2010 8:09 pm 
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Slažem se,samo videomaterijali s vremenima neće biti dovoljni,već bi trebalo uzeti neke uzorke prije i poslije "zaprašivanja",itd. ...Ovo bi trebao biti veliki i težak projekat dokazivanja jer ima puno pojedinosti koje bi se trebale uzeti u obzir.Inače ako se na to ide laički i amaterski,sve će biti opovrgnuto prvim dopisom.
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Ne bi trebalo biti toliko veliko i teško ako postoji za to volje. Ako je vjerovati američkim izvorima ispada da je jedno testiranje tamo 22 USD, ako je ovdje i nekoliko puta skuplje, ja sam prvi spreman pronaći sredstva za prvu rundu testiranja na jednoj ili više lokacija.
Ne očekujem nikakvu promjenu u stavu PTB-a ali dobro je da ih malo zažulja, tek koliko da znaju da nismo svi uspavane ljepotice koje čekaju sljedeće nogometno prvenstvo ili ljetnu sezonu po principu "udri brigu na veselje".


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Predlažem da se napravi popis svega što bi trebalo analizirati i bilježiti.
Kako nisam znanstvenik bilo bi lakše ako bi nas se što više uključilo kako bi dobili što objektivniji rezultat.
Evo nešto što mi pada na pamet:
-prije svega raspitati se dal u našem području u krugu minimalno 50 km postoji industrija koja bi kroz dimnjake mogla ispuštati tragove aluminija i ostalih spojeva od kojih se sastoje chemtralsi
-ako ima trebalo bi napraviti jedan popis "normalnog" zagađenja
-sakupljanje kišnice ,dok nema "tragova" na nebu,slikanje ili snimanje
-sakupljanje kišnice,dok ima "tragova" na nebu,slikanje ili snimanje
-napisati u kojoj vrsti posude skupljamo kišnicu,dal smo skupljali direktno u posudu ili sa nekog slivnika kuće koli je recimo od aluminija ili bakra.Pojedinosti bi mogle biti jako važne i ako se posao jedanput ne uradi kako treba,morat će se raditi više puta a sami znamo kako nam je birokracija brza i efikasna
-uzorci tla prije i poslije zaprašivanja ( s tlom bi moglo biti još više problema,radi raznih pesticida,jer da se mene pita i da sam ja na tamo nekom zaduženju odlučivanja jeli nešto istinito ili ne,tražio bih popis svih pesticida koji su se koristili na tom području zadnjih 5 godina)-to možda možemo izbjeći tako da uzorke tla sakupljamo na mjestu gdje je vlasnik država ili neki veći privatnik koji bi trebali imati taj popis

Kao što si rekao prasmix,ako postoji volja nije problem.Volio bih da nastavite popis ili date moguće prijedloge,pa da se krene s time.
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Evergreen Air and a Secret Chemtrail Facility

May 29, 2010 by NotForSale2NWO
Filed under Chemtrails, Eugenics & Depopulation, Featured, Health & Environment, Intel Hub Exclusives

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Evergreen 747-C Conversion for Depopulation Purposes, 2010 NotForSale interviewed a whistleblower from inside the Evergreen Air Facility. For those who do not know Evergreen Air is a CIA front company for chemtrail operations within the United States, weapons and arms dealing, drug running and rendition tortures. The whistleblower known as KrisH provided the Intel Hub staff with documentation to prove his employment at the facility located in Pinal County Airpark in Arizona. (Note: This photo is used to demonstrate the possibility of spray tanks)

On Feb 18, 2010 NotForSale from the Intel Hub interviewed a whistleblower employed as a private contractor at an Evergreen Air facility. The information he provided was mind blowing. Never before had a whistleblower came forward about this top secret facility located in the Arizona desert north of Tucson. In the interview KrisH described how the facility is heavily secured by well armed personnel. During his time at the facility he was involved in retro fitting 727 and 747-c aircraft with liquid discharge tanks and aerosol sprayer devices. He has also confirmed reports of triangular black jets at the facility as well during his time there in the early 1990’s. It is also important to note that the facility owns fully functional warbirds that have been fully restored from WWII, where all of the weapon systems and bomb bay doors are operable on the craft. This type of craft is not authorized by civilian, public or private use within the U.S. This would indicate that Evergreen Air is indeed a CIA operation. The Whistleblower has also heard there is an underground base at the facility and confirms there is a possible “Black Helicopter” base on site as well.Note: Evergreen Air also specializes in unmanned aerial drones.


Facts Regarding Evergreen Air

Editors Note: Spraying for chemtrails would almost be a normal thing for Evergreen Air. This “front” company has been exposed as taking part in such shady events as problems with its “non” profit museum, making a substantial amount of money off the Iraq War, gun running in Central America, chauffeuring dictators, and among other things, flying Bill O Reilly to Iraq.


Evergreen International Aviation, Inc. is an Oregon-based aviation company with longstanding ties to the CIA. Its huge Evergreen Maintenance Center in Arizona was bought from the Agency, which offered the property to no-one else.[1]In 1980 an Evergreen plane flew the recently deposed Shah of Iran from Panama to Egypt, hours before the Panamanian government was due to receive an extradition request from the new government in Tehran.[1] Giving rides to dictators is something of a specialty for the company – it also allowed El Salvador’s President Duarte to use its helicopter, which was officially in the country to help repair power lines.[1]

Since 1973 the CIA had been anticipating this and had moved quickly to give all of its clandestinely owned aircraft to its alleged proprietary, Evergreen International based out of Marana Air Park near Tucson Arizona and McMinville Oregon, near Portland. Coincidentally, Medford Oregon is the home base of aircraft broker Roy Reagan. Reagan was convicted in 1997, along with another man on criminal charges stemming from a scheme to fraudulently take $80 million worth of airplanes from the U.S. government and place them in private hands. Reagan was also the broker for Evergreen according to a lawsuit filed by former CIA pilot Gary Eitel.

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The Dark History – In 1976 Senator Frank Church submitted CIA General Counsel Lawrence Houston to intense grilling over the Agency’s questionable and illegal operation of proprietary air transport services. At that time, Houston admitted that the CIA had routinely used the United States Postal Service and the U.S. Forrest Service as covers for covert activities. Houston admitted that The Forest Service had been infiltrated by CIA and that CIA shared an address with the Forrest Service’s Air Research and Development unit on Kent Street in Alexandria, VA.

Evergreen Air – A Long History of Suspicious Activities

Implicated in a plan to blow up New York City

An alleged plot to blow up the pipeline and tanks that feed jet fuel to John F. Kennedy international airport, in New York, was thwarted at the weekend with the arrest of a “cell” of Islamic extremists from the Caribbean.

It is claimed that the alleged plotters planned to destroy the “whole of Kennedy” in a series of explosions that would make the September 11 attack “seem small”.

It is claimed that Mr Defreitas, 63, a naturalized US citizen born in Guyana, told the informant that he wanted to attack the airport because in the early 1990s he had seen missiles being shipped to Israel while he was working for Evergreen International Aviation(Source)

Forest Service and Evergreen Air Work Hand in Hand

I had earlier looked at the U.S. Forest Service’s operations at the Pinal Air Park, Marana, Arizona and found that there was a cooperative deal between the Forest Service/Government and Evergreen Air where the Forest Service/Government allowed Evergreen to develop, under contract, the Evergreen Supertanker in exchange for allowing the planes to be used for Government Contracts during non-peak fire season. Well, I found that in March 2007 Evergreen discontinued their Supertanker program very abruptly. Several links will give you some of the background of the program that was being developed for fighting western wildfires.

“Between 1962 and 1975, we worked on different research-and-development projects out of Marana Airpark, near Tucson, Arizona. Projects we tested included a ‘para-wing’ with a remote-control device and a parachute with a built-in guidance system that could zero in on a ground frequency system commonly known as a ground-to-air beacon device. Also, we tested the Parachute Impact System, which played a huge role in the secret war in Laos. This parachute allowed the pilot to fly high enough to keep out of range of small-arms fire. We worked with the Forest Service and BLM in…support of [combating] wildfire. From New Mexico to Alaska, we worked with the CIA and assisted in airborne training back in Williamsburg, Virginia.” (Source)


Bill O Reilly Flys on Evergreen Air

Last night 12/18/06 on the Factor host Bill O’Reilly did a segment attacking retired newsman Dan Rather for comments about the White House and FOX News having a “different” relationship than other news networks. O’Reilly said he is rapidly losing respect for Rather and complained that Rather is “too busy” to come on the Factor but managed to fit in an interview on CNN, where he reiterated his opinion that the two are operating in synch. O’Reilly was adamant that there is no such relationship, yet earlier in his Talking Points Memo he had thanked Evergreen International Aviation for the fine service on O’Reilly’s trip to Iraq last week.

Known CIA Fronts Evergreen Air Included

SSP SCIENCE TEAM MEETS NASA OFFICIALS AT EVERGREEN AIR CENTER

Evergreen Air – The New Air America

Above Top Secret – Chemtrail Base

Updated June 2nd

Are Asthma, Chemtrails, and Storms Connected?

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Tim White lives in Denver, Colorado and spends a lot of time digging up information over the Internet. He participates on more than 60 chat boards. His phenomenal memory, coupled with an intuitive nose for detecting things rotten, allows him to connect the dots better than most. He told me that he immediately noticed chemtrails in the skies over Denver when they began the aerosol spraying operations in 1998. Before he had access to a computer or even had an e-mail address, he was trying to make noise with local media to get them to cover the chemtrail story which, as we know, most of them will assiduously ignore with a fierce determination. It’s not just a matter of blindness, of course. Mainstream ‘reporters’ (an oxymoron in and of itself) are adhering to a strict dictum from higher ups concerning what they can and what they shall not cover. Thousands of American citizens have written, faxed, e-mailed, or telephoned their congressional representatives over the past seven years inquiring about chemtrails only to be ignored, stonewalled, or put off with moronic denials such as ‘chemtrails are just ordinary contrails’ etc. Of all the deceit, disinformation, misdirection, obfuscations, and outright lies being perpetrated against the people of the United States by their own government, the official denial of chemtrails seems to be the number one item at the top of the ‘deny at all cost’ list. Even the government’s role in coordinating, engineering, and enabling the attacks that took place in New York and Washington DC on September 11, 2001, is less vigorously denied and stonewalled than the chemtrails story. Why? Because chemtrail spraying is a world wide operation of GENOCIDE on an unparalleled level.

To be sure, there are other objectives for chemtrail spraying including the short-circuiting of higher consciousness development, but the main goal is the gradual and CONTINUAL destruction of the body’s immune system so when highly virulent bioengineered pathogens are introduced into the environment by the covert jackals laboring on behalf of the Illuminati and their directors sitting on the Committee of 300, the vast majority of people (around the world) will succumb to these laboratory produced diseases due to a depleted and compromised immune system. Of course, there are air heads out there reading this who will immediately shoot back that “it can’t be so because the politicians cooperating with the Illuminati’s genocide agenda would die too” etc. But no, the Illuminati would never deploy a bio weapon into the general populace that they themselves did not have the antidote for or some other means of being shielded and protected from its effects, including the effects of chemtrails. We’ve learned long ago from inside people like Al Bielek that the secret government had available to them, as early as 1953, age regression equipment obtained from aliens that could reverse age any living being back in time. If you have equipment that can reverse age someone, that means that you can bring the body’s cells back to a state prior to them being damaged or compromised because of a disease condition or a toxic exposure. So in addition to becoming younger, the body would also become free of disease. In fact, an Italian by the name of Antoine Priore had stumbled upon this very sort of technology back in the 1960’s after having been funded by the French government for seven million dollars. According to Tom Bearden, who helped to line up financial backers for Priore, when the Illuminati Big Boys found out about Priore’s successful trials with animals, they got all the backers to pull out and Priore was soon reduced to a poverty existence and quietly suppressed into obliviousness.

Tim White also made a discovery in July of 2000. He participated in a 1.5 hour radio interview about chemtrails on the morning of July 28 with a hostile radio host by the name of Peter Boyles who had attempted to sandbag Tim and make him look foolish, but the attempt backfired and the show received a tremendous amount of response from listeners. The interview was set up for Tim by his then girlfirend, Doreen Bishop. According to Tim, Doreen is a victim of mind control and is in frequent communication with none other than Gerorge Soros, who appears to act as Doreen’s handler. The morning following Tim’s radio interview, a Dr. William W. Storms of Colorado Spring’s Asthma & Allergy Associates shows up on a Denver TV show encouraging viewers to contact his clinic if they have been experiencing any symptoms of asthma-like respiratory difficulties. Tim finds this a bit too conincidental and tries to get a contact number for Dr. Storms from the TV station, but is given the run-around. He eventually gets a phone number for Dr. Storms from the show’s producer after threatening to make a stink about it with the newspapers. What happened next is revealed in Tim’s March 3, 2005 e-mail to Dr. Storms that is reproduced below. Tim had cc’d the e-mail to me along with about 30 other people. In his original e-amil to Dr. Storms, Tim had attached a long article about chemtrails titled ‘Ozone Hole Leads to Special Measures for UV Control’ (and subtitled ‘CHEMTRAILS OVERVIEW’ by Tim White) that was supposedly written by an “Oak Ridge Whistleblower” using the name of “Jim Phelps”, a likely pseudonym. I didn’t include that overview here both due to length and inaccuracy. While the ‘Phelp’s’ article contained a ton of info about chemtrails, it also contained a lot of misinformationa and disinformation as well, but you can still read it at this link if you’re curious.

After speaking with a military intelligence operative named ‘Paul’ who answered the phone at Dr. Storms ‘office’ on July 29, 2000, Tim realized that Storms’ TV appearance was itself an intelligence gathering operation for the CDC to monitor the fallout effects from chemtrail spraying. Dr. Len Horowitz discusses the CDC’s role as data collector, monitor, and coordinator of the Illuminati’s many genocide operations inlcuding AIDS and chemtrails in his book on chemtrails titled Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism & Toxic Warfare. ..Ken]

1. The NAZIs had a program (Mistel Program) where they filled old Luftwaffe planes with high explosives and flew them by remote control at Allied Targets.

2. That the Mistel Program was brought to the US via Operation Paperclip.

3. That simular planes were assembled by one Darrell Skurich through CIA front Evergreen International Airlines for use against the Pentagon in the 911 attack.

4. That Darryl Skurich was responsible for the death of John Breit, a Denver Area Aviation Attorney, who had become aware of certain C.I.A. operations involving narcotics trafficking in the US. (More info coming.)

Mistel Program

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The Mistel series of composite aircraft are without a doubt one of the strangest concepts to achieve operational status with the Luftwaffe. The original concept was proposed to the RLM in 1941 by Siegfried Holzbauer, A Junkers test pilot. His idea was to make use of “tired” Ju 88 airframes by packing them with explosives, fly them near a target and crash them into the target after the fighter had released itself. The fighter pilot would control the “missle” after release by remote control.
The first conversion flew in July 1943 and proved successful enough for the RLM to approved a further 15 conversions, with the code name Beethoven. Tests with Ju 88 fuselage sized hollow charge warheads against the French battleship Oran proved to be successful and an eventual thickness of 60 feet of reinforced concrete was breached in further tests. Over 250 Mistels of various combinations were built, but like all the Third Reichs super weapons, they proved too little too late.

Warhead: – Source: Wikipedia

The definitive Mistel warhead was a shaped charge around a core of copper or aluminium. When detonated, the explosion would create a penetrator made of the core of the above-mentioned copper or aluminium. The metal would then “behave” like a liquid (and not, as often falsely reported, liquefy), capable of penetrating up to 7 metres (24 feet) of steel armour. It was anticipated that this would be able to “drill” straight through an enemy warship.
Some 250 Mistels of various combinations were built during the war, but met with limited success. They were first flown in combat against the Allied invasion fleet during Battle of Normandy, targeting the British-held harbour at Courseulles-sur-Mer.
While Mistel pilots claimed hits, none of these can be correlated in Allied records, and they may have been made against the hulk of the old French battleship Courbet, which had been included as a component of the Mulberry harbour at Arromanches and specially dressed up as a decoy by the Allies. Serious blast and shrapnel damage from a near miss was also suffered by HMS Nith, a floating headquarters, on 21 June. There were 9 killed and 26 wounded and the Nith was towed to back to England for repairs.

A visit to SourceWatch.org was much more revealing. According to them,

As part of Operation Iron Hammer in late 1943 and early 1944, Mistels were selected to carry out key raids against Soviet weapons manufacturing facilities — specifically, electricity-generating plants around Moscow and Gorky. These plants were known to be poorly-defended by the Soviets and irreplaceable. However, before the plan could be implemented, the Red Army was already pushing into Germany itself and it was decided to use the Mistels against their bridgehead at Kuestrin instead. On April 12, 1945, Mistels attacked the bridges being built there, but the damage caused was negligible and delayed the Soviet forces for only a day or two. Subsequent Mistelattacks on other bridges being thrown across the Oder were similarly ineffective.
A second opportunity to use the Mistels, in Scapa Flow in 1944 was abandoned after the loss of the Tirpitz assured local air superiority for the Royal Navy’s aircraft carriers.


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Rain3,

objasni mi molim te što skakućeš?

jesam ti dao detaljno kako da to izvedeš? jesam.

i što si dosad zdelao po tom pitanju? nič.

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kolos je napisao/la:
Kao što si rekao prasmix,ako postoji volja nije problem.Volio bih da nastavite popis ili date moguće prijedloge,pa da se krene s time.
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Evo što meni pada na pamet:
  • Maknuti ovo u posebnu temu (da ne bude u ovoj koja generalno priča o chemtrailsima) u kojoj će se diskutirati pripreme materijala koji bi se mogli dalje dati na uvid "nadležnima"
  • Locirati laboratorije koji su u stanju napraviti kvalitetnu analizu uzoraka (voda, snijeg, tlo, itd.) i dobiti o njih upute kako pripremiti, čuvati i transportirati uzorke kako bi se izbjegla moguća kontaminacija istih
  • Razmotriti potencijalne lokacije za uzimanje uzoraka. Mislim da će slučaj dobiti više na težini ako to bude izvan gradova kako bi se izbjegle nagađanja da je aluminij došao iz nekog industrijskog postrojenja, itd. Naravno lokacije bi trebale biti u zoni djelovanja letećih spasioca
  • Početi s akcijom sakupljanja onoga što odmah možemo a to su slike i moguće video snimke, koje trebaju imati precizan datum, vrijeme i lokaciju. Ovo bi trebalo početi pohranjivati na jedno mjesto koje će biti lako pristupačno svima uključenima ali i s kojega će se lako moći raditi individualne kopije kako se ne bi dogodilo da sav trud nestane jer je netko slučajno hacknuo baš taj site. Mislim da bi bilo dobro dogovoriti i neku strukturu pohrane (npr. folderi s imenima regije, mjesta, itd.) za lakše snalaženje.
  • Vidjeti poznajemo li netkoga tko ima bolju foto opremu (posebno objektive, tripode) kako bi se pokušale napraviti što kvalitetnije snimke prema kojima bi i "laici" mogli utvrditi o kakvoj vrsti aviona je riječ. Ono što je vjerujem mnoge frustriralo je pokušaj zumiranja aviona koji najčešće leti putnom brzinom na toj visini. Ispada da bi trebalo imati neki kompjuterski vođen stalak koji bi prateći avion ili njegov trag držao u fokusu (ah koji wishful thinking)
  • Više doznati o tome koje su nadležnosti spomenute agencije i način kako joj pristupiti u službenoj formi kako sve skupa ne bi bilo odbačeno odmah u startu. Moguće da je odgovor koji je dobila Mirela došao upravo iz te agencije pa tim više ima smisla dobro razraditi način pristupa istoj.


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U vezi s ovim prasimix-ovim prijedlogom, mogli bi otvoriti poseban podforum kojem bi imali pristup samo oni koji su zainteresovani za rad na tom projektu i on bi bio vidljiv samo njima (i moderatorima, naravno), nakon što bi se logirali.

Međutim, prvo bi trebali vidjeti koliko ljudi bi uopšte bilo zainteresovano da se aktivno pozabavi time. S tim u vezi, predlažem da mi se svi oni koji žele sudjelovati u tome jave na "pm", pa ćemo vidjeti.


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 Naslov: Re: Chemtrails - kemijski tragovi aviona
PostPostano: čet jun 03, 2010 12:10 pm 
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objasni mi molim te što skakućeš?

jesam ti dao detaljno kako da to izvedeš? jesam.

i što si dosad zdelao po tom pitanju? nič.


skakućem zbog probave, naime radim na novome projektu PPC (prdenjem protiv chemtrailsa), jučer sam isprobao i radi fenomenalno, nebo je nakon toga bilo tako kristalno čisto da bi je bilo žao onih koji su se toliko trudili šarati po nebu, ali ukoliko uskoro nabavim avion sa kvalitetnom opremom mogao bi i ja početi šarati po nebu pa ćemo imati i grahtrailse iako će se oni više primjećivati drugim osjetilima negoli vidom ali nema veze bar ćemo imati zaprašivanje po domaćim receptima. a ja sam ponosan što me toliko zaprašuju, znači da mi je organizam poprilično otporan što je i normalno kad se od malih nogu trudim da svakodnevno udišem što veće količine kancerogenih spojeva iz okolnih postrojenja(i to sve besplatno) bar jednom godišnje okupam se u Hudsonu i obavezno popijem do litru i pol iste čisto da organizam dodatno podivlja i još više ojača. i sad šta, ako jednog dana ne bude chemtrailsa onda će organizam postat lijen i nespreman, bez veze, pa ljudi će se razboljeti, a i zar nije lijepo imati išarano nebo, jer jebeš nebo na kojem ništa ne piše.
a sad back :ontopic: ...na zapadu ništa novo... :occasion5:
p.s. za kvalitetne oštre snimke, poželjan DSLR + teleobjektivi (200 mm, 300 mm, 400 mm, 500 mm, 600 mm) + osnovno poznavanje fotografije + manite se automatskih postavki fotoaparata + što bolje se upoznati sa opremom koju se koristi + malo strpljenja i praksa pa onda ni tripod nije ni potreban za kristalno jasne fotke...
par linkova za početak:
http://www.telfon.net/
http://www.svijetfotografije.com/hrv/savjeti/
http://fotozine.org/
http://www.4shared.com/file/189789753/34af6dbc/1_Djulijano_Belic_-_Skola_foto.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/189789726/b840ff4/2DjulijanoBelic-Skolafotografi.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/189789645/c51593ff/3DjulijanoBelic-Skolafotografi.html
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 Naslov: Re: Chemtrails - kemijski tragovi aviona
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KO NAS ZAPRAŠIVA!?

(jel još uvik vridi ona: "JEDNA SLIKA - DESET `IJADA RIČI"!?)



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 Naslov: Re: Chemtrails - kemijski tragovi aviona
PostPostano: uto jun 08, 2010 9:48 pm 
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Pozdrav ekipa,

inicijativa prasimixa o skupljanju uzoraka nije losa, ali ako netko ocekuje da ce neka kvazi-agencija gdje rade kadrovi barba Luke reagirati na neke konkretne dokaze onda se vara. Njihov moto je: ne talasaj i primaj placu.

Inace, moj glavni cilj je identifikacija aviona koji se koriste za prašenje. U svojoj potrazi sam otkrio da skoro svi avioni (osim naravno vojnih) imaju tzv ADS-B emiter/transpoder koji 'broadcastira' unique call-sign aviona, poziciju, visinu, brzinu itd.

Svatko moze primiti ovaj signal i dekodirati ga. Mislio sam cak i sam napraviti dekoder, ali stvar nije tako jednostavna. Na trzistu postoje uglavnom dva tipa uredjaja:

AirNav RadarBox: http://www.airnavsystems.com/RadarBox/index.html
SBS -1: http://www.kinetic-avionics.co.uk/sbs-1.php

Grupa entuzijasta se okupila i digla site na kojem svi korisnici ovih uredjaja 'feedaju' podatke na server koji sve podatke objedinjuje i pokazuje trenutnu poziciju, smjer, visinu velikog broja aviona koji trenutno lete.

Znaci ako zelite saznati sto leti iznad vase glave, idite na http://www.flightradar24.com/
Nazalost, izgleda da nitko od nas na Balkanu nema ovaj sustav, jer je velika praznina taman na podrucju bivse YU, a rubna podrucja hvataju susjedi s radarima jer je domet ove sprave oko 400km.

Normalno, vojni avioni ne koriste ovaj sustav, ali moja teorija (koju sam i dokazao kad sam uslikao BOEING kompanije ALITALIA kako praši: http://www.mandrilo.com/index.php/chemtrail-blog/135-20100501day22), je da i tako civilni avioni najviše sudjeluju u prašenju.

BTW, za kraj evo i 'friških' slika chem-neba iznad Splita 08.06.2010. Ne znam kako je bilo drugdje, ali ovdje je bio masovni napad, samo su šarali po nebu s kemijom:

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najranije ujutro oko 7, lepeza tragova na istoku

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popodne oko 13, svježi tragovi

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zanimljiv je ovaj trag desno, kako samo skreće pod 90 skoro

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tragovi s druge slike nakon pola sata: pretvaraju se u oblake

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 Naslov: Re: Chemtrails - kemijski tragovi aviona
PostPostano: uto jun 08, 2010 10:01 pm 
Hvala mandrilo2 na vrijednim informacijama i slikama. Ništa manji napad nije bio niti danas na području Zagreba. Čini mi se da više neće trebati pratiti vremensku prognozu glede dolaska kiše nego samo pogledati u nebo i vidjeti da li nas zaprašuju i za dan-dva eto i kiše.

Što se tiče kadrova barba Luke, nemam nikakvih iluzija, kao što si rekao: teško da će talasati, ali štogod da je u pitanju, netko je za vladu trebao napisati odgovor na Mirelin zahtjev pa me zanima hoće li i kako reagirati u slučaju da im stavimo pod nos i konkretne informacije nas laika. Moguće nereagiranje biti će još samo jedna ozbiljna potvrda o ozbiljnosti svega skupa.


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Iako je vikend bio miran, posljednja tri dana praše ponovno vrlo jako. Obzirom da imam vrt s povrćem vrijedi provjeriti da li se i kod vas koji ga imate u drugim dijelovima Hrvatske događaju iste stvari. Dakle, pola toga nije niklo, pola toga je bolesno, okolica Zagreba prema Sloveniji nema zrelih trešanja, a ako su zrele tako su ušljive da to nitko ne može vjerovati. Paprike se ne razvijaju, šljive - domaća sorta su u moj okolini deformirane - dakle, može li se ovo povezati s zaprašivanjem ili ne?
Osobno mislim da može jer u mojoj ulici svi mi obrađujemo vrt na različite načine. Netko ne koristi ništa - kao ja - dakle nema pužomora, ne špricam s ničim, koristim biodinamičku metodu i djelom radim s starim sjemenjem. Vrtovi do mene se gnoje stajskim gnojem, okopavaju....Dakle svi radimo na razne načine - ali svi vidimo isto! Vrtove koji izgledaju kao da su zastali u vremenu.

Naravno treba uzeti u obzir niske temperature prije ovog zatopljenja, zatim količinu oborina koja je nakon toga pala, pa sad ove vrućine.

U svakom slučaju - meni se stalno vrti po glavi da nešto možda i sami izazovemo. Sjetite se onog čovjeka koji je u Slavonskom Brodu postavio ogroman orgonski top. ( Onaj inovator koji je na taj način želio spriječiti zagađenje Slavonskog broda) Nekoliko dana nakon toga dogodila su se dva tornada u Srbiji, a sad i te poplave kod nas.
Mnogi od nas su konstruirali topove kao način obrane od chemtrailova - ali moje je pitanje - znamo li svi zaista napraviti top koji se "neće okrenuti protiv nas"!

Ovo su naravno samo razmišljanja!

U svakom slučaju - svaki puta u posljednje vrijeme mislim kako nas praše jače i svaki puta nakon toga vidim da mogu još jače!

Kao i da se u posljednje vrijeme pojavljuje puno više malih aviona u niskom letu nego ikada prije!

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 Naslov: Re: Chemtrails - kemijski tragovi aviona
PostPostano: sri jun 09, 2010 11:27 am 
alf je napisao/la:
Mnogi od nas su konstruirali topove kao način obrane od chemtrailova - ali moje je pitanje - znamo li svi zaista napraviti top koji se "neće okrenuti protiv nas"!

Korištenje orgonskih topova za obranu od chemova mi se čini naivno, naime samo mogu kreirati odličnu iluziju da je problem pobrisan s neba ali aluminij, barij i ostalo smeće koje je raspršeno MORA negdje pasti, ljudi zaboravljaju da chemovi NISU vodena para.

Što se tiče poljoprivrede i mizerije koju spominješ mislim da bi testiranje tla (i moguće vode) na barem aluminij i barij možda mogli dati neku ideju i (nažalost) potvrditi sumlju da su chemovi mogući razlog. Možda bi bilo dobro početi raditi i foto arhivu s datumom i lokacijom poljoprivrednih kultura koje pokazuju čudne simptome.


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Ovo zaprasivanje zadnjih nekoliko tjedana iznad Zagreba i okolice je strasno, sve vise sam uvjeren da nema to veze s djelovanjem na klimatske prilike , vec vise s djelovanjem na ziva bica, strahovit porast tumora kod ljudi a i zivotinja, da skoro pojavnost poprima obiljezja zaraze- svaki treci bolesnik obolio od neke vrste tumora!!!

Nelogicnost u letovima moze se skuziti vikendom , kad prema mome zapazanju najvise prase za ljepa vremena, kad je najvise ljudi vani !

Ja dosta vikendom planinarim i vjerujte mi da na mallo vecoj visini to izgleeda jako blizu, skoro iznad glave :-), a imam i osjecaj da ima neki miris kao ono zamaglivanje protiv komaraca, zapravo nisam osjetio intezivan miris ali nekako je tezi tad zrak i disanje ili je to vec sugestija!!

S vece visine (planina) se vidi veliki komad neba bez prepreka, te se lako vidi sav obim ovog zaprasivanja , ali uglavnom koliko sam primjetio zaprasuju samo jako urbanizirana podrucja i gradove!
Rijeka, Zagreb, Split, dok blize rjeđe naseljenim podrucjima nema ovih preleta!
Zbog toga mislim da je ovo usmjereno na ljude!!

ZMJETIO SAM SLJED OD 3 DANA

Primjer - Ako je cetvrtak bio oblacan, petak i subota vedro, tek u NEDJELJU pocinje zaprasivanje , znaci tek pocinju na treci vedri dan zaprasivati!

NELOGICNO MI JE PRESTANAK LETOVA aviona nedjeljom ako ona ispadne prvi ili drugi vedri dan!
Pa tako ako je subota oblacna, a nedjelja vedra - odjednom NESTAJU REDOVNI LETOVI I PROMET tj. kako nestaju odjednom tolike putnicke linije nedjeljom, a koliko znamo od tolikih putnickih linija mora bar 50 % biti redovnih!

Nedjelju 06.06 2010 kad je subota bila oblacna, zamjetio sam 95% manje aviona nego nedjelju prije kad su nenormalno prasili okolicu Zagreba u jutarnjim satima!
Ali zato ovj utorak 08.06. je bilo opet strahovito zaprasivanje Zagreba od ranih jutarnjih sati tako da se stvorla izmaglica na nebu do 12h!


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