Na kraju krajeva sto koga i briga gdje ce tko zavrsiti i kako, kakvih se igara igra i zasto.
Mozda je ova planeta i zato takvo blesavo mjesto jer se toliko energije potrosi na analiziranje tudjih igara i svoje nikad ne dovedu do savrsenstva.(je li tako vanzemaljcima odgovara?)
Naravno tu racunam i svoju kompulzivnu potrebu da se bavim tudjim slabostima (imamo primjer teme o David Icke gdje sam ga nazvala licemjerom) a imam i svojih dovoljno da ih jedva stignem i osmotriti a kamoli popraviti.
Ima nekih ucitelja iz davnih vremena koji su naglasavali vaznost Tisine na putu , vjerojatno svima nama takva praksa nedostaje jer Majmun(Um) u krajnjem slucaju ce potraziti drustvo drugog Majmuna a MI (Ja) cemo za njim po inerciji.
Zato su Omovi postovi kvalitetni jer ih je stvorila Tisina.
I znam da sam Off topic ali tko nije.

pokushalo se i davanjem banane majmunu,
ne vredi,
brzo ogladni i nezasitan je,ne pomazu ni bombonice,ni chokoladice,ni cela pinjada jer majmun nikad nece nauchiti kako da pinjadu razbije
ma koliko ga nagradjivali i milovali
ma koliko ga shamarali
ma koliko konjaka
pa i urina popili
jer ono shto moze da nauchi
da pinjadu Iluzije ( za jolo -du-a - opsjene/btw opsjena je lepa rech,kod mene se kaze Maja )
razbije
je iza Majmunskog Uma
i ne moze ni da pochne da uchi dok
tog Majmuna ne Utishsa
kako cesh oslushkivati Srce
ako Majmun perpetumobilski blebece


da,ta tema je Praktichna Gnostika - lajv
http://www.galaksija.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=815&start=0
i neizmerno pomaze medjusobnom razumevanju

i ovde se slazem
shto kaze Tihi:
svejedno,ionako je Sve Jedno

Hvala ti puno! Procitala sam neke stvari, nisam stigla sve, nadam se da cu naci vremena za vise uskoro. Ali opet, to su samo knjige, transkripti, kako da razlikujem u njima istinu od lazi? Vjerujem u NLOe, vjerujem u vanzemaljce, ponekad pomislim da vjerujem i u njihovu suradnju s nekim vladama na Zemlji, ali tesko, jako tesko bih mogla povjerovati u nesto kao sto su reptilodi koji nas zele unistiti ili bica iz ne sjecam se vise 4 ili 5D koji se hrane nasim mislima. Kako da razlikujem covjeka koji je bolestan i tvrdi takvo nesto, umjesto da pije lijekove, od onoga koji je to stvarno dozivio i ima dokaze ako ga se malo bolje poslusa? Zbunjuje me sve ovo, ne znam vise sto je tocno, sto nije, u sto da vjerujem, u sto ne. Do nedavno sam bila vjernik, u zadnje vrijeme se preispitujem da li je to ikad bilo tako ili je i to samo izmisljotina za narod sa ciljem kontrole... Zbunjena sam si kao nik trebala staviti
Postoje li nekakvi seminari, neka druzenja, nesto, gdje ljudi koji su to dozivjeli pricaju iz vlastita iskustva? Ili moram samo citati i ukljuciti mozak na maximum da bih razlucila istinu od lazi? Doduse, i tu postoji caka, pametan covjek laz uvijek zakamuflira u istinu tako da se tesko raspozna jedno od drugog.... Bas sam zbunjena...

Iskreno mi je drago da student medicine postavlja ovakva pitanja, a mislim da je zbunjenost naočigled ovog fenomena veoma prirodna reakcija.
Polako, složiš kockice sa raznih strana, ponešto nema mnogo smisla odmah, možda će imati kasnije, možda ne. Dakle, ne u smislu verovanja u nešto, pre u vidu učenja, razmatranja kako naš svet zaista funkcioniše, da bi se proširio okvir za našu interakciju sa njime.

Ne znam da li ima bilo kakvih seminara ili nečeg slično.

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Kod fenomena abdukcija – a i inače kada je reč o interakciji između ljudi i vanzemaljaca - imamo posla sa fenomenom koji potiče sa plana postojanja, o čijem funkcionisanju ne samo da znamo veoma malo, već on uopšte ne postoji u našoj konsenzus stvarnosti (važećem pogledu na svet). U njoj postoji isključivo materijalni svet. Tako i ljudi koji izveštavaju o interakciji sa nečim što izlazi iz granica onoga što smo proglasili za jedini postojeći svet, neretko bivaju proglašeni bolesnima, ludima ili jednostavno sklonim fantaziji (u srednjem veku su zbog tvrdnji koje su se protivile tadašnjoj konsenzus-stvarnosti mnogi bili spaljeni na lomači. Danas su te iste stvari deo „činjeničnog materijala“ kojim opisujemo svoj svet. Napredak ).

Fenomen abdukcija komplikuje činjenica da ne samo da imamo posla sa realnošću koja u mnogo čemu prevazilazi našu sposobnost razumevanja, već je i kod dostupnog materijala izuzetno teško razlikovati iluziju od realnosti, snove od stvarnih događaja, posledice od uzroka i doći do koliko-toliko pouzdanih podataka. Ovaj fenomen karakteriše i mogućnost da se potpuno izmeni percepcija, mogućnost kreiranja paravan-memorije (indukovana sećanja) i tzv. scenarija virtuelne stvarnosti, (potvrđen spolja), indukovanog događaja, koji svedok praktično ne može razlikovati od objektivne realnosti.

A što se mene tiče, u tome verovatno leži jedan od bitnijih razloga zašto me ovaj fenomen intrigira.

Međutim, koliko god da se nalazimo na klizavom terenu na kome je izuzetno teško razlučiti stvarnost od iluzije, i koliko god da su abdukcijski izveštaji jedinstveni, ipak postoji čitava serija zajedničkih elemenata koji se ponavljaju kroz međusobno nezavisne izveštaje. Kao da stotine hiljada ljudi sanja iste snove. Ponekad do ovog otkrića dolazi i sasvim slučajno, na primer putem regresivne hipnoze, a da pre toga osoba nije imala nikakva sećanja koja bi se mogla protumačiti kao čudne fantazije ili nešto slično. Takođe, javljaju se zajednički spoljni događaji koji po pravilu prate ova nejasna sećanja, koja se rado proglašavaju za neobične snove ili bujnu maštu.

Tarnerova je izlistala preko sto zajedničkih elemenata, neki od njih su u ovoj tabeli.
http://www.galaksija.com/metafizika/ote ... tabele.htm

Takođe, da ponovim jednu davno postanu listu sa "Scedocanstva o..." sa nekim do tih zajedničkih elemenata, rado, jer sam mnoge od njih sam i sama uočila, čitajući izveštaje kao i tokom ove forumske prepiske.

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Indicators compiled by Melinda Leslie, edited by Mark Williams

Many millions of people, it seems, have had encounters with alien beings. Many of those people do not realize that they are having these experiences because of suppressed memories. Their awareness is limited to an occasional paranormal incident that seems to confuse them more than anything else. Some people are not ready to know for sure, others feel a deep need to know if they are involved with the beings. If you are in the later group, read on.
This is a list of 58 common indicators shared by most UFO abductees. It is based on known research on the subject and on personal findings.

Have had unexplainable missing or lost time of one hour or more.
Have been paralyzed in bed with a being in your room.
Have unusual scars or marks with no possible explanation on how you received them (small scoop indentation, straight line scar, triangular marks, scars in roof of mouth, in nose, behind or in ears, etc.)
Have seen balls of light or flashes of light in your home or other locations
Have a memory of flying through the air which could not be a dream, or many dreams involving flying.
Have a strong "marker memory" that will not go away (i.e.: an alien face, an examination, a needle, a table, a strange skinny baby, etc.)
Have seen beams of light outside your home, or come into your room through a window.
Have had many dreams of UFOs, beams of light, or alien beings.
Have had a shocking UFO sighting or multiple sightings in your life.
Have a cosmic awareness, an interest in ecology, environment, vegetarianism, or are very socially conscious.
Have a strong sense of having a mission or important task to perform, sometime, without knowing where this compulsion is coming from.
Have a secret feeling that you are "special" or "chosen," somehow.
Have had unexplainable events occur in your life, and felt strangely anxious afterwards.
Have had several strange psychic experiences - such as knowing that something is going to happen before it happens.
For women only: Have had false pregnancy or missing fetus. (pregnant, and then not)
Have awoken in another place than where you went to sleep, or don't remember ever going to sleep. (i.e. waking up with your head at the foot of your bed, or in your car)
Have had a dream of eyes such as animal eyes (like an owl or deer), or remember seeing an animal looking in at you. Also if you have a fear of eyes.
Have awoken in the middle of the night startled.
Have strong reaction to cover of Communion or pictures of aliens. Either an aversion to or being drawn to.
Have inexplicably strong fears or phobias. (i.e. heights, snakes, spiders, large insects, certain sounds, bright lights, your personal security or being alone).
Have experienced self-esteem problem much of your life.
Have seen someone with you become paralyzed, motionless, or frozen in time, especially someone you sleep with.
Have a memory of having a special place with spiritual significance, when you were a youngster.
Have had someone in your life who claims to have witnessed a ship or alien near you or has witnessed you having been missing.
Have had, at any time, blood or strangel stain on sheet or pillow, with no explanation of how it got there.
Have an interest in the subject of UFO sightings or aliens, perhaps compelled to read about it a lot.
Have an extreme aversion towards the subject of UFO's or aliens - don't want to talk about it.
Have been suddenly compelled to drive or walk to an out of the way or unknown area.
Have the feeling of being watched much of the time, especially at night.
Have had dreams of passing through a closed window or solid wall.
Have seen a strange fog or haze that should not be there.
Have heard strange humming or pulsing sounds, and you could not identify the source.
Have had unusual nose bleeds at any time in your life. Or have awoken with a nose bleed.
Have awoken with soreness in your genitals which can not be explained.
Have had back or neck problems, T-3 vertebrae out often, or awoken with an unusual stiffness in any part of the body.
Have had chronic sinusitis or nasal problems.
Have had electronics around you go haywire or oddly malfunction with no explanation (such as street lights going out as you walk under them, TV's and radios affected as you move close, etc.).
Have seen a hooded figure in or near your home, especially next to your bed.
Have had frequent or sporadic ringing in your ears, especially in one ear.
Have an unusual fear of doctors or tend to avoid medical treatment.
Have insomnia or sleep disorders which are puzzling to you.
Have had dreams of doctors or medical procedures.
Have frequent or sporadic headaches, especially in the sinus, behind one eye, or in one ear.
Have the feeling that you are going crazy for even thinking about these sorts of things.
Have had paranormal or psychic experiences, including intuition.
Have been prone to compulsive or addictive behavior.
Have channeled telepathic messages from extraterrestrials.
Have simply heard an external voice in your head, speaking to you, perhaps instructing or guiding you.
Have been afraid of your closet, now or as a child.
Have had sexual or relationship problems (such as an odd "feeling" that you must not become involved in a relationship because it would interfere with "something.")
Have to sleep against the wall or must sleep with your bed against a wall.
Have a fear that you must be very vigilant or you will be taken away by "someone."
Have a difficult time trusting other people, especially authority figures.
Have had dreams of destruction or catastrophe.
Have the feeling that you are not supposed to talk about these things, or that you should not talk about them.
Have experienced many things in this list, and recall your children or parents speaking of similar experiences on occasion.
Have tried to resolve these types of problems with little or no success.
Have many of these traits but can't remember anything about an abduction or alien encounter. "

To!!!

Hvala ti Arja, stvarno si se potrudila.
Mislim da samo najveci glupani na svijetu ne vjeruju u vanzemaljce i ne postavljaju si nikakva pitanja jer ako samo pogledas u nebo, znas da su to sto vidis zvijezde, a oko svake se vrti bar jedna planeta na kojoj mozda postoji mogucnost da postoji zivot. A ako ista znamo o svemiru, znamo da je beskonacan i da nije jedini, tj da ih ima beskonacno mnogo. Samo sto medicinari, ferovci, strojari i ostali koji bi mogli o tome razmisljati, nauciti nesto mase koji nisu toliko obrazovani, ne zele, boje se jer su svjesni da ako smo mi ovakvi prema samima sebi, kakvi bi tek bili drugi prema nama. A i vecina nas se boji osude drustva koje po mojem jos nije spremno prihvatiti cinjenicu da nismo jedinii najvazniji.
Ali zato svi volimo Star Trek pogledat Iako se pomaci vide, cak je i Vatikan rekao da postoje vanzemaljci...
Procitavsi tvoj post, pocela sam se pitati. Neke od tih indikatora sam i sama dozivjela iako ne vjerujem da sam bas bila oteta, mislim da je i ljudski um sam po sebi dovoljno snazan ako se pravilno usmjeri da bi neke stvari mogao napraviti- tipa telekineza ili telepatija(jedne godine sam s prijateljicom udruzila snage, mislile smo snazno na istu osobu i dobile istu info od nje, ona od svoje kuce, ja od svoje. To je strasno iscrpljujuce i moglo bi se upotrebljavati, ali treba mnogo snage i snazna koncentracija... A telekineza, ne znam da li je to bas telekineza ali mozemo obje vrtiti iglu na koncu iznad ruke u smjeru kojem zelimo ako se jako skoncetriramo na to, ne znam jesi li ikad probala, iskustvo je zanimljivo. Nakon toga to nismo nikom rekle, nikom pokazale, eto, sad prvi put i pricam o tome jer me vi necete smatrati ludom). Ali bas otete... mislim da nismo, mislim da smo jednostavno ljudi koji se u tom trenutku nisu bojali otici dalje od onog sto normalni svijet smatra normalnim..
Osjecala sam i snazno prisustvo druge osobe, zapravo entiteta, u sobi ne jednom, ali to vise pripisujem mrtvima koji cekaju put na neko drugo mjesto(mama mi je bila umrla i godinu, dvije mozda cak i tri nakon toga sam to osjecala snazno i cesto, sada sve rjede, ta ista prijateljica tvrdi da je i ona, u zadnje vrijeme slabo, a istina je da o tome vise i ne razmisljamo previse, tad smo vec bile lude skoro od toga, u nekom svom svijetu o kojem nismo smjele pricati jer bi tek onda bile stvarno lude u ocima drugih).
A mozda i nije tako, mozda se varam, mozda sam bas zato ovdje, podsjvesno zelim znati vise.
Morala sam prekinuti ovo pisanje, ponovo sve procitati i nazvati tu prijateljicu, procitat joj sve sto pise, sad nisam samo ja zbunjena, vec i ona...

A što će nam i vanzemaljci kad tako malo vidimo na zemlji !

A i to sto velis

Možda da bi to na Zemlji videli malo bolje : ne kao izolovano ostrvce u svemiru.
Čisto balansa radi, ovaj put onog između konačnog i beskonačnog: limita naše trenutne egzistencije i beskonačne kreacije čiju celovitost nosimo u sebi u vidu nekog holograma.

A i mnogi od tih vanzemaljaca su u stvari zemaljci – udobno naseljeni ovde - a i mnogi od današnjih zemljana bi se slobodno mogli nazvati vanzemaljcima. Manje-više, poreklo ne igra neku ulogu.
Pre orijentacija - inače izgleda ne bi bilo ni Igre.



Aha, ni ja ne volim te ček-liste. To je više smernica oko pitanja kako da razlikujemo fantazije od istinskih doživljaja.
A i ja mislim da su naše prirodne sposobnosti mnogo veće nego što smo toga svesni.

Ajd’ selim nas na te „vanzemaljce“.

* "ima i tamo gomila lekcija za nauchiti ,
samo su uslovi uchenja bolji,
bolja uchionica,inventar,shkolska pomagala i sl.
a i lakshe se dishe ,opd/ops uchionice su odvojene malo nisu kao ovde na gomili"



4D?????

Pogled "izbliza": http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?fx=sayfa_a ... z_2008.asp

Jako dobar video. Imam osjećaj da nećemo još dugo čekati na službenu objavu njihovog postojanja. A nadam se da to bude uskoro.

nlo u sloveniji jucer...

http://dnevnik.hr/showbizz/zanimljivost ... enije.html
http://www.zvijezde.info/nlo-iznad-slovenije

ZAnimljiv video. Hm.. .drugi link ne radi. I wonder why?
Nadjoh na youtube. Koji debeli FEEEEJK!!!! Come on!

[url=http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1108/tall-et.html]I, Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, (Spacecraft Operator) Space Shuttle Fleet, personally observed an 8 to 9-foot tall ET on a LCD 27-inch video monitors while on duty in the Kennedy Space Center, Launch Control Center (LCC).

The ET was standing upright in the Space Shuttle Payload Bay having a discussion with two (2) tethered US NASA Astronauts![/url]

Allies of Humanity

Na prvi pogled knjiga deluje prilićno dobro.

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The Allies of Humanity is being presented to prepare people for a whole new reality that is largely hidden and unrecognized in the world today. It provides a new perspective that empowers people to face the greatest challenge and opportunity that we, as a race, have ever encountered.

The Allies Briefings contain a number of critical if not alarming statements about the growing extraterrestrial intervention and integration into the human race and about the extraterrestrial activities and hidden agenda. The purpose of the Allies Briefings is not to provide hard evidence about the reality of the ET visitation to our world, which is already well documented in many other fine books and research journals on the subject. The purpose of the Allies Briefings is to address the dramatic and far-reaching implications of this phenomenon, to challenge our human tendencies and assumptions regarding it and to alert the human family to the great threshold we now face. The Briefings provide a glimpse into the reality of intelligent life in the Universe and what Contact will really mean. For many readers, what is revealed in the Allies of Humanity will be entirely new. For others, it will be a confirmation of things they have long felt and known.

Though these Briefings provide an urgent message, they are also about moving towards a higher consciousness called “Knowledge,” which includes a greater telepathic facility among people and between races. In light of this, the Allies Briefings were transmitted to the author from a multi-racial, extraterrestrial group of individuals who refer to themselves as the “Allies of Humanity.” They describe themselves as physical beings from other worlds who have gathered in our solar system near the Earth for the purpose of observing the communications and activities of those alien races who are here in our world interfering in human affairs. They emphasize that they themselves are not physically present in our world and are providing needed wisdom, not technology or interference.
The Allies Briefings were given to the author over a one-year period. They offer perspective and vision into a complex subject which, despite decades of mounting evidence, continues to baffle researchers. Yet this perspective is not romantic, speculative or idealistic in its approach to this subject. To the contrary, it is bluntly realistic and uncompromising to the point where it may be quite challenging, even to a reader who is well versed in this subject.

Therefore, to receive what these Briefings have to offer requires that you suspend, for a moment at least, many of the beliefs, assumptions and questions that you may have about extraterrestrial Contact and even about how these Briefings were received. The contents of these Briefings are like a message in a bottle sent here from beyond the world. Thus, we should not be so concerned about the bottle but about the message itself.

To truly understand this challenging message, we must confront and question many of the prevailing assumptions and tendencies regarding the possibility and the reality of Contact. These include:
• denial;
• hopeful expectation;
• misinterpreting the evidence to affirm our beliefs;
• wanting and expecting salvation from the “visitors”;
• believing that ET technology will save us;
• feeling hopeless and submissive to what we assume is a superior force;
• demanding government disclosure but not ET disclosure;
• condemning human leaders and institutions while maintaining unquestioned acceptance of the “visitors”;
• assuming that because they have not attacked or invaded us, they must be here for our good;
• assuming that advanced technology equals advanced ethics and spirituality;
• believing that this phenomenon is a mystery when in fact it is a comprehensible event;
• believing that ETs in some way have claim to humanity and to this planet;
• and believing that humanity is irredeemable and cannot make it on its own.

The Allies Briefings challenge such assumptions and tendencies and explode many of the myths we currently have about who is visiting us and why they are here.

The Allies of Humanity Briefings give us a greater perspective and a deeper understanding of our destiny within a larger panorama of intelligent life in the Universe. In order to achieve this, the Allies do not speak to our analytical mind but to Knowledge, the deeper part of our being where the truth, however clouded, can be directly discerned and experienced.
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I izvod iz knjige:

”Our role, then, is quite essential, and our information is very needed because at this time even people who are aware of the presence of the visitors are not yet aware of their intentions. People do not understand the visitors’ methods. And they do not comprehend the visitors’ ethics or morality. People think the visitors are either angels or monsters.

But in reality, they are very much like you in their needs. If you could see the world through their eyes, you would understand their consciousness and their motivation. But to do that, you would have to venture beyond your own.

The visitors are engaged in four fundamental activities in order to gain influence within your world. Each of these activities is unique, but they are all coordinated together. They are
being carried out because humanity has been studied for a long time. Human thought, human behavior, human physiology and human religion have been studied for some time.
These are well understood by your visitors and will be used for their own purposes.

The first area of activity of the visitors is to influence individuals in positions of power and authority. Because the visitors do not want to destroy anything in the world or harm the world’s resources, they seek to gain influence over those whom they perceive to be in positions of power, within government and religion primarily. They seek contact, but only with certain
individuals. They have the power to make this contact, and they have the power of persuasion.
Not all whom they contact will be persuaded, but many will be. The promise of greater power,
greater technology and world domination will intrigue and incite many individuals. And it is
these individuals with whom the visitors will seek to establish a liaison.

There are very few people in the governments of the world who are being so affected, but their numbers are growing. The visitors understand the hierarchy of power because they themselves live by it, following their own chain of command, you might say. They are highly organized and very focused in their endeavors, and the idea of having cultures full of free-thinking individuals is largely foreign to them. They do not comprehend or understand individual freedom. They
are like many technologically advanced societies in the Greater Community who function both within their respective worlds and in their establishments across vast reaches of space, utilizing a very well-established and rigid form of government and organization. They believe that humanity is chaotic and unruly, and they feel they are bringing order to a situation that they cannot themselves comprehend.

Individual freedom is unknown to them, and they do not see its value. As a result, what they seek to establish in the world will not honor this freedom.Therefore, their first area of endeavor is to establish a liaison with individuals in positions of power and influence in order to gain their allegiance and to persuade them of the beneficial aspects of relationship and shared purpose.

The second avenue of activity, which is perhaps the most difficult to consider from your perspective, is the manipulation of religious values and impulses. The visitors understand
that humanity’s greatest abilities also represent its greatest vulnerability. People’s longing for individual redemption represents one of the greatest assets the human family has to
offer, even to the Greater Community. But it is also your weakness. And it is these impulses and these values that will be used.

Several groups of the visitors wish to establish themselves as spiritual agents because they know how to speak in the Mental Environment. They can communicate to people
directly, and unfortunately, because there are very few people in the world who can discern the difference between a spiritual voice and the visitors’ voice, the situation becomes
very difficult.

Therefore, the second area of activity is to gain people’s allegiance through their religious and spiritual motivations. Actually, this can be done quite easily because humanity is not yet strong or developed in the Mental Environment. It is difficult for people to discern where these impulses are coming from. Many people want to give themselves to anything they think has a greater voice and a greater power. Your visitors can project images—images of your saints, of your
teachers, of angels—images that are held dear and sacred within your world. They have cultivated this ability through many, many centuries of attempting to influence each other and by learning the ways of persuasion that are practiced in many places in the Greater Community. They consider you primitive, and so they feel they can exert this influence and use these methods upon you.

nlo u britaniji se okomio na wjetrenjace

http://www.ufoblogger.blogspot.com/2009 ... shire.html

* "care,najbolji si
ipak,da bi se spektar delovanja tvojih viceva proshirio,moracesh malo da poradish na svojoj logici i na fabrikaciji tvojih teorija,mora u vicevima imati bar trunke logike i istine da bi bili privlachni i zanimljivi za chitanje,
sad za sad,targetirana populacija ti je negde do 10-11 god.uzrasta
oni od 12-13god. pa nadalje te vec provaljuju da nemash pojma o chemu prichash,jedan 13-godishnjak me je upitao: " dal' je ovaj chika uopshte zavrshio osnovnu shkolu,pricha kao da je ostao ponavljajuci treci razred sve do sad???"
samo nastavi,ako nishta drugo,bar si decu nasmejao

" zvacu decu !!! deecoooooooooooooooo !!! deecoooooooooooooooo !!! "
- ko to tamo peva - "

Završio sam sve razrede. Možda taj 13-godišnjak nije bio upućen u ono o čemu se priča pa se smijao nekim razvijenim gušterima ili kukcima s drugih nebeskih tijela, a najvjerojatnije da je to najobičnija podvala jer u 3. razredu, ako bih pripadao prosjeku, ne bih znaošto je gravitacija, Sunčev sustav i njegovo uređenje, Zemlja i njezino uređeje, ne bih se znao pravopisno točno izražavati.

* "car,o svojoj logici koja je nishta i koje nema:"

Da nemam logike ne bi bio životinja, da nemam logike ne bi bio kralježnjak, da nemam logike ne bi bio sisavac, da nemam logike ne bi bio viši sisavac, da nemam logike ne bi bio primat, da nemam logike ne bi bio čovjek. Da nemam logike ne bi znao pisati, učiti, razmišljati. Mogao bih biti kakva stijena kraj mora. Nemojte nabijati lude.

^^S kim se ti svađaš?

i ja se pitam...