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Biography of Joshua Ambroz Mayer aka Marshall “Tito”

Josua Ambroz Tito (pseudonym: 'Josip Broz'); Wien, May 7, 1891 - Ljubljana, May 4, 1980, father Samuel Mayer and mother Marija Javeršek. Secretary of Yugoslav Communist Party before WW2, military leader of Yugoslav communist guerrilla in World War 2, permanent president of post-war Yugoslavia 1945-1980, dictator massacring 1,100000 victims in Yugoslavia. Next is Tito's first real wiki-biography; all his presentations in Wikipedia are idealized-embellished and partly falsified by international socialist idolaters of communist leaders and Baal worshiping leftist wikipedians. The real Josip Broz and communist-president J.A. Tito were two different half-brothers of same mother (Marija Javeršek) and two physical fathers: Franjo Broz, and Samuel Mayer.

True Josip Broz

The true Josip Broz was really born on May 21, 1892 in Kumrovec village of Zagorje county, north-western Croatia, as seventh child of Marija Javeršek coming from Slovenian village Podsreda. His real Croatian father was Franjo Broz, a villager in Kumrovec being a hard alcoholic, and so from his 14 ill-treated children a half died in youth. Josip Broz was a lower boy with narrow ascetic face and modest intellectual capability; therefore he cannot complete his basic school in Kumrovec, and left second class in 1905. Then from 1907-1913 he became the assistant of a locksmith in Sisak town, central Croatia.

From Sisak descended the important testimony of his late co-worker N. Ivšic on his essential distinction from Yugoslav J.A. Tito; because of that taboo of Tito's identity, Ivšic was then in communist Yugoslavia persecuted and tortured. This important detail is that a locksmith machine by working incident amputed a digit of true J. Broz that then had 4 right digits only (in that time before a century any medical re-implantation was impossible). However, J.A. Tito then had complete right hand with 5 digits, playing well on piano.

Then J. Broz was shortly a worker in Slovenia and in Bohemia, and from autumn 1913 because of coming WW1, he was taken in Austrian army. Then in 1914 he was sent in eastern front against Russia, and justly on Easter 1914, he perished on Caucasus being killed by the attack of a Circassian troop. Thus here in Caucasus finished the personal biography of the real Josip Broz from Croatian Kumrovec, and all subsequent events on his name are falsificates.

However, Soviet Kominterna later decided for far-sighted political purposes, to transfer his dead identity on his half-brother and underground communist Josua Ambroz Mayer then renamed in 'Josip Broz Tito', whose parallel biography follows here.


Josua Ambroz Mayer

Josua Ambroz Mayer was born in Austrian capital Vienna on May 7, 1891. His true physical father was Samuel Mayer, a rich Polish Jew and owner of the Viennese factory of medical prosthetics. Marija Javeršek then was his Slovene servant, and that correlation resulted by the birth of their son Josua Ambroz. In difference of his handicapped half-brother (Josip Broz), Josua Ambroz was healthy, robust, well educated and much more intelligent.

Due to his ancestry, J.A. Mayer grew in imperial Vienna and received there the best basic education in Wiener-Deutsch, and then he finished also musical school as an excellent piano player and the best interpreter of Verdi and Chopin in his class. Then he continued his military education, and he went in the Austrian imperial Military Academia in Pecs (Hungary), being there in the same class with the future Führer of German Third Reich i.e. with young Adolf Hitler, his future military antagonist in WW2. This coincidence then was very important for Tito's military experience as follows:

- 1. He was a well educated Jewish officer and not a rural Croatian locksmith as then presented.
- 2. In Pecs he became directly familiar with Hitler's strategic thinking, and then he used that abundantly to preview and neutralize Hitler's attacks in Yugoslavia.
- 3. On the other hand, Hitler alone was not aware of Tito's capability, due to tabooised change of his identity by Kominterna decisions (and also the massacred Croats in post-war Yugoslavia up to 1990ies were not aware of another non-Croat identity of Tito).

Tito's communist career

Yet in his youth, Tito became communist before WW1. In 1912, he won in Budapest a silver medal as vice-champion in sword-play. Then from 1914 he was sent with Austrian army in Eastern front and in March 1915 in Bukovina he was enslaved by Russians. After a year imprisoned, then working on Urals in 1917 he adhered to Russian Bolsheviks, and then in Siberia (Omsk) he entered in Red Army and in Communist Party 1918. There he also married Pelagija Belousova, and with her in 1920 he returned to Yugoslavia where he immediately entered in Yugoslav Communist Party being third one in parliament. In 1921 this party was forbidden by Yugoslav king, and then as an illegal underground communist, he worked as machinist in Bjelovar, Kraljevica, etc.

In 1934 he entered in Central Committee of Yugoslav Communists, and in 1935 went anew in Russia being active in Kominterna. Stalin sent him 1937 as a secret agent Comrade Walter, in Yugoslavia to control and reform Yugoslav Communists. After some intrigues, the former main secretary of Yu. communists (Milan Gorkic) disappeared being probably killed in Russia, and then Stalin installed Tito as the main secretary of Yu. communists.

Tito as Yugoslav leader

Now follows shortly his career in WW2 and post-war Yugoslavia to his death.
- July 4, 1941 Tito called Yugoslavia for armed resistance against Nazi Germany.
- 1941-1945 he was the Chief Commander (Marshall) of National Liberation Army in Yugoslavia.
- 1945-1953 he leaded communist Yugoslavia as Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs.
- From 1948 followed his rift from Stalin's control (INFORMBIRO) and political neutrality.
- 1953-1980 he is the lifelong President of Yugoslavia.
- From 1961 he is co-founder of Non-Aligned Movement, together with Egypt's leader G.A. Nasser, and India's leader J. Nehru

As a Viennese Jew, Tito never learned a consistent Croatian speaking: In his numerous sermons across Yugoslavia, he mostly spoke in his original Inter-Slavic mixture of Polish, Slovene and Russian with few added Serbian words i.e. a hybrid language similar to modern artificial Slovio. When after WW2 he arrived in 'native' Kumrovec, many his neighbours and age-mates cannot recognize him (but mostly left tacit before his repressalies).

Death and consequences

Tito died in Clinic centre of Ljubljana on May 4, 1980, from a gangrene in legs. In his last days of agony, Tito spoke mostly in Wiener-Deutsch of his youth, and not in his usual Inter-Slavic as former president. Tito is buried in his mausoleum in Belgrade named ''The House of Flowers''. At time of his death, he was the most powerful Jewish ruler in World; thus nearly all important states were obliged to assist on his funeral, that accompanied about 120 different rulers. Therefore also now, his young life and his post-war massacres on civilians became an untouchable taboo eliminated from his idolising bibliographies. Even now after Yugoslavian bloody disaster, his numerous monuments persisted across sub entire ex-Yugoslavia, and he is so far especially an idol and an icon in Bosnia, Kosovo and Macedonia whose nations and territories were created by him.

He was even glorified in new Croatia by recent ruling liberal-leftists (ex-communists), as the biggest (false) Croat of entire regional history - despite the fact that he was the biggest eliminator leading the massacres of 700,000 Serbs of which 20% were Jews who committed “treason” to the state by refusing to collaborate with Tito’s communist regime. In entire Yugoslavia 1944-1980, he was responsible for massacring about 1,100000 victims, and therefore he is the 9th one among the major mass-murderers in the known World history. In general, his role and effects in Balkans were very similar as these of J.V. Stalin in USSR and Russia. Therefore it was quite logical and expectable that after his death, Yugoslavia exploded in a very bloody regional war.

For this biography were used only selected verifiable indications from internet, combined and completed by other complementary documentation. Except some national megalomania, the most realistic published biography of J.B. Tito is this one by M. Todorovic: Hohštapler (Tito ‘bon vivant’, 2nd edition, 368 p. Dunja doo. Bjelovar 2005), being mostly congruent with other independent testimonies and documentation.

Adapted by GNU-license from English Metapedia

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ja sam se uwijek pitao kako tito (a iz hrwatske je!) onako sjebano gowori nas jezik? nekako cudno, kao da ga je nedawno naucio. ima tu nesto.
samo nesto se pitam, sta je to originalni tito iz kumrowca predstawljao zapadnim inetersnim lobijima, kada ga je nakon njegowe smrti bilo potrebno zamjeniti s njegowim polubratom (zidowom)?

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Da, bas, sve je ovo interesantno, ali kakve veze ima to da je on kao mulac zamijenjen sa tim svojim polubratom? Cini se vrlo nepotrebnom ta zamijena identiteta...

Da je eventualno zamijenjen nakon kraja 2. svj. rata kad je vec bio poznat kao partizanski vođa i karizmatik, to bi imalo smisla. Ovako, nije to previse bitno u cijeloj prici.


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Ne bi mu Srbi tako zdušno pušili da su znali ko je zapravo.
Morali su da ga falsifikuju zbog Srba. A da prođe kao Srbin nije mogao ni zbog akcenta, ni zbog Hrvata.


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Tko je bio da je bio, seljaci, radnici i sirotinja su dobro živjeli dok je bio. Danas prekopavaju po kontejnerima za smeće da bi preživjeli.

Kad je umro, njegovi nasljednici su dobili jedan mali vinograd u Zagorju (vlasništvo njegove pok. matere) i ništa više. Usporedite to sa imovinom Tuđmana, Miloševića, Izetbegovića, Đukanovića... :mrgreen:

Tito je bio Gospodin za ove danas. Sa velikim G.


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Mnogi ce da "polude" nakon ovog mog posta...ali....

Sto se mene tice,ko je bio TITO,sta je radio,koga je slusao i slicno,savim mi je svejedno i puca mi zbog toga.Ono sto je strasno bitno je to,da u vrijeme TITA,onaj mrtvi crveni pasos je vrijedio MNOGOOOO para na crnom trzistu,sa njim ste mogli da idete kud vam srcu drago,mogli ste da legnete na sred plaze,parka i slicno i da spavate debelim snom pravednika,policija je bila POLICIJA,znale su se mnoge vrijednosti ljudske,skola je bila SKOLA i djeca su ucila ono sto treba,ljudi su znali sta treba da se cijeni i postuje itd.....

Da su oni ,80 i neke,bili pametni i da nisu bili pod utjecam raznoraznih faktora sa strane,pa da su ostavili ono sto vrijedi u starom sistemu,da su uzeli ono sto vrijedi iz novog sistema,danas bi svi zivjeli kao gospoda,pucalo bi nam za svjetsku ekonosku krizu ,djeca bi nam bila normalna,nebi imale kamere na svakom cosku,nebi nam od bubrega odbijali ,nebi morali cekati (sem CRO i SLO) u kilometarskim redovima za vizu,nebi morali da zalimo za mrtvima koji su poginuli za necije tudje ideale i MNOGOOOOO toga drugog sto nas ,BAS SADA trenutno okruzuje.

Ali,sto je bilo,bilo je....kasno se jebenom kajati....Nego,skinite gace,sagnite se,te da nam bude malo lakse,podmazacemo se kremom...

Zivio drug Tito !

Ima jedna anegdota ,koja je aktuelna vec nekih 15-tak godina,a glasi ovako:

Druze Tito,ti se nama vrati....Ti si krao...i nama si davo....ovi kradu ,nikome ne dadu !!!

p.s. Goli otok..PODHITNO vratiti u punu funkciju !


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Eh..samo da vidite,koliko su Nijemci volili partizane,jedna pjesmica.
Toplo preporucujem za slusanje,jer izaziva jednu zanimljivo dozu smijeha.Naravno,ove mladje generacije,tesko da se skontati ,ali,zivimo u nadi da ce i oni razumjeti pjesmu.

http://rapidshare.com/files/250647826/G ... n.mp3.html

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U 80-ima sam bio tek dijete, ali moram se sloziti, iz svega sto sam cuo i vidio, puno se bolje onda zivjelo.

Pricao sam s nekim ljudima (na podrucju Kvarnera), kad smo se dotakli te teme, svi su mi rekli da se normalno islo u crkvu onda i slavilo Bozic i ostale vjerske blagdane. Ja nisam vjernik, ali to je uvijek bio argument velikih nacionalista i velikih vjernika, nedostatak vjerskih sloboda.

Nadalje, Jugoslavija je tada bila prakticki treca vojna sila na svijetu, zar ne? Nakon Amerike i Rusije, tu smo bili mi. I cini mi se da smo mi bili bas onako zlatna sredina svega toga, ni onaj truli kapitalizam, ni zeljezni komunizam.

Boli me briga za politiku, lijeve i desne i sve to (to je ionako osmisljeno radi divide et impera), ali ta Jugoslavija je mogla postati takvom svjetskom silom... Imala je sve preduvjete, pogotovo bogatstvo prirodnim resursima - cista voda u obilju, istocna Hrvatska kao jedno ogromno plodno polje, pristup Jadranskom moru...

Navodno u Bosni postoje ogromne zalihe nafte, neka istrazivanja su vec bila vrsena, moze vrlo lako biti da su gospodari svijeta odlucili da se ne smije dogoditi da to ostane Jugoslaviji.

A opet, pitanje je koliko je Tito bio nas igrac, a koliko njihov.


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Sve je to bilo tada lepo samo zato što je Tito bio iluminisani mason i Hazar.
Da je bio Srbin ili Hrvat, bio bi isti kao Milošević ili Tuđman.
Imali smo sreće da nije bio nijedan od nas :love3:


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Eh..samo da vidite,koliko su Nijemci volili partizane,jedna pjesmica.
Toplo preporucujem za slusanje,jer izaziva jednu zanimljivo dozu smijeha.Naravno,ove mladje generacije,tesko da se skontati ,ali,zivimo u nadi da ce i oni razumjeti pjesmu.

http://rapidshare.com/files/250647826/G ... n.mp3.html

:D


:mrgreen: :mrgreen: Bravo :rofl :rofl

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Tito je bio car... :rofl

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A sad par zaboravljenih slika...

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Naravno, da je uradio ista bolji posao, mozda bi izbjegli ratove i probleme... no da su babi ja*a, ne bi bila baba... :mrgreen:

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Tko je bio da je bio, seljaci, radnici i sirotinja su dobro živjeli dok je bio. Danas prekopavaju po kontejnerima za smeće da bi preživjeli

ajoj njega. swe su to kontejneri swijesti, koliko god neki mislili da su ziwjeli (iluzija!) bolje u tom drustwu. swe je to goli qrac. te ideologije, weziwanje za neku stranu. goli qrac odnosno kontejneri...

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Ko je zapravo TiTo...sto svoje poklone nije prodao pa ostavio nesto svojim unucima i pokoljenima..

http://www.pressonline.rs/page/stories/ ... ctionId=41

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Ko je zapravo TiTo...sto svoje poklone nije prodao pa ostavio nesto svojim unucima i pokoljenima..

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zlatko je napisao/la:
Tko je bio da je bio, seljaci, radnici i sirotinja su dobro živjeli dok je bio. Danas prekopavaju po kontejnerima za smeće da bi preživjeli

ajoj njega. swe su to kontejneri swijesti, koliko god neki mislili da su ziwjeli (iluzija!) bolje u tom drustwu. swe je to goli qrac. te ideologije, weziwanje za neku stranu. goli qrac odnosno kontejneri...

:angel4:


Kad već u svom vokabularu upotrebljavaš riječi koje očito ne razumiješ, kao napr. ILUZIJA, onda se negdje informiraj o značenju iste, pa ćeš vidjeti da si TI u debeloj iLuziji, a nisi ni svjestan toga.

A prostačenje ostavi doma gdje mu je očito i mjesto.


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pa ćeš vidjeti da si TI u debeloj iLuziji, a nisi ni svjestan toga.

hwala na instant proswjetljenju(tm), neznam sto bi bez tebe... :mrgreen:

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nisam bio ovdje za vrijeme Tita, al svi kažu da je bilo bolje nego sada....
a ova priča oko zamjene braće mi je totalno neuvjerljiva...kao u nekom filmu, dobri i zli brat (blizanac) :D
jel ima ikakvih dokaza tome u prilog?

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TITO JE VAŠ
(M. Milatovic - B. Djordjevic)

Drug Tito je bio svetli lik
Drug Tito je post'o spomenik
Drug Tito nije bio ljudski stvor
Drug Tito je imo beli dvor

Drug Tito je bio dobar drug
I nije on napravio dug
Drug Tito je im'o plavi voz
Drug Tito se zove Josip Broz

On je bio lovac
Lovac, ribolovac
Pijanista, humanista
I nikada onanista
Splavar, travar, kravar
Tito masinbravar
Ranar, lekar, vidar
I slobodni zidar

Tito je vas
A vi ste Titovi
I ja vam nisam za to kriv

Ja znam u kom grmu lezi zec
Pa idem u mali Kumrovec
Jer druga Tita i ostalu decu
Radjaju u tom Kumrovecu

Drug Tito je nas najveci sin
I nije on bio dusmanin
Na Neretvi bio diverzant
Na prstu je im'o brilijant


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Eee, sada ste me podsetili jedne posete Brionima pre nekoliko godina.

Ja krenula da se kupam, a odveli me u muzej. :-s Kriv je taj Tito jako i toliko godina posle smrti još delotvorno zloćkast. :mrgreen:

No, bez šale, fantastični su!! što jes’ jes’, umeo je sebi da udesi.

A ko još nije gledao, da obavezno pogleda onaj lepi film Gorana Markovica:
Tito i ja


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